am i making up that the federal reserve is a private bank? let's look at obama's cabinet, am i making up that all these people are part of the CFR or Trilateral commission? i'm making these things up?? am i making up timothy geitner was the former head of NY federal reserve (WHICH IS NOT AT ALL FEDERAL, BUT THE HEAD BRANCH OF OUR PRIVATE CENTRAL BANK) and i'm making up that he's the secretary of treasury? i'm making up obama's relationships with henry kissinger or zbigniew brzezinski? I CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP. his whole staff is a who's who of prominent globalists. this isnt my opinion. what is it gonna take for you people to stop buying the lie?

does the link imply that you think this war is a religious war? nothing happens by accident. you think they hate us for "our freedom" you think we're there cause of 9/11 or to stop feuding factions? they want to build oil pipelines and control the trade with china. they also want to surround iran and pakistan. it would seem you have no idea of the big picture. you think we went to iraq because of weapons of mass destruction?? stop being so naive. look at the geography of these places. KEY PLACES that before 9/11 we had no control over. now we're setting up bases encompassing russia. look at the big picture- stop believing the lies they tell you on tv.


edit: and when you quoted me saying can all these people be crazy, you posted that link. i hope you dont think i meant how can all the afghans be crazy.. i was saying how can all the "truthers" be crazy.

EDIT: i lost connection when i hit add reply, and it posted twice. sry

so why didn't the US stay in afghanistan after they drove out the soviets? they left it. it led to instability and civil war. the taliban came to power. you want an example of the denial of "god given liberties?" look into what went on while they were in power. after september 11, the taliban refused to give up osama - it provided the US with grounds for invasion.

i'm not saying this was the sole reason they went there in 2001, there's always benefits for third parties that influence the decision to wage war.

the iraq war - sure, i have the sneaking suspicion that it wasn't just because they suspected hussein of having WMDs, but in all honesty - i don't know, and neither do you. perhaps they were making up for letting him stay in power following the first gulf war?

and again, you DID have control over these places prior to 9/11. israel defeated the arabs with US backing, the US helped drive out the USSR, the US crushed the iraqis in the first gulf war, etcetera, etcetera.

edit: also accidentally hit add reply twice.

you still haven't answered my initial question, by the way.

i like that we're having a discussion now..

the instability that you mention, is intentional. and as for them not giving up osama bin laden.. you can go to the fbi website and see no charge on 9/11 on bin laden's rap sheet. bin laden was a cia operative in the 80's and we gave the taliban their guns. osama was being treated for kidney problems in a US run hospital over there. and as for us having control over these places is not true.. we had influence but they still had their own governmental ideals. and i CAN tell you the real reason we went into iraq. saddam hussein would not agree to accepting a loan from us, knowing that indebting his country to an international bank is only stealing the oil from the iraqi people (in that when the loan could not be paid back they would have to give up their resources to pay the interest). if he had agreed to do dealings with us we'd be selling him all the arms he wanted and not caring what the fuck he does to his people. and the middle east is not the first example of this economic strategy to gain control over other peoples lands. south america, we did the same thing except their leaders went along with the plan of selling out their people, and the ones who didnt WE KILLED. to ensure the next guy would tow the line. google "economic hitman"

it's simple, if you put a country in massive debt.. you own that country. the governments just tax the people to pay the debt, its a form of slavery. its just clandestine- just because you're not in shackles or behind bars gives the illusion you're free. slavery requires the housing and feeding of slaves.. economic slavery requires the slave to provide for themselves. it's actually genius. and the better trick is making the public immediately cast out any information that threatens their establishment. none of this is new.

which one is that?

you supported osama during the cold war, your conflict was with the USSR. at the time you fought alongside the afghanis, osama included; you would do anything to top the spread of communism (which, for some reason you are saying you are now working towards?) osama is not the taliban, he is, however, supported by them.


you are stating this as fact, rather than here-say. reliable source, please?

you did have the power to overthrow hussein, and gain complete control over iraq in the early 90s, it just wasn't deemed worthy of so much trouble then.
in the big picture that you propose, what would be a few more casualties in a relatively low cost war at the time? ten years ago, they could have achieved what they have today in Iraq.

how the mistreatment of suspected terrorists abroad, in a war-zone, affects you.

you're becoming my favorite member- okay, the quote from the fbi website i think just proves what i said.. it does not say he was responsible for 9/11. "suspected in terror plots" is very thinly veiled. and the reason you couldnt go through with the plan in the 90's is because the american people would not support it. the only way these people can continue is if they get the people to carry it out. the gulf war was unpopular. with 9/11 they were able to get enough people to say yes to anything. create a problem, incite panic and fear, create the solution to that problem. and where you say that we were thwarting communism, yet pushing it today.. its not the united states specifically, in fact the united states is the biggest road block for the new world order. the same people that funded hitler are the same people that started our federal reserve. also, they are the same people that funded and set up the EU. (I.G. Farben, General Electric, Standard Oil) these are not people with american interest. they funded both sides of WWII. they are people with a global interest.. and just now they're gaining headway in the states and our policies are slowly reflecting that. they think china is the perfect model of society for today. imagine the whole world is governed just like china, but you know once it gets there.. it will only get worse because there would be no real opposition.

now let me get to the "reliable source" for the economic hitmen

Okay, first look into John Perkins- who wrote the book, "confessions of an economic hitman" and also in the movies i've posted, zeitgeist: addendum interviews john perkins who does a fantastic job in explaining the whole thing. he personally met with leaders of other countries to coerce them into making bad deals, and if they didnt.. they'd send jackals out to kill them. as the case with saddam, they were never successful in negotiations or assassination attempts. the last step is to send in the military.

"John Perkins's classic exposé, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, spent over 70 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list and is published in more than 30 languages. His follow-up, The Secret History of the American Empire, provides a plan for creating a sustainable, just, and peaceful world."


watch the interview with him, he explains it much better than i could.. and gives you examples of it since the 50's! at least 8 different examples that we've done this in the past. AND SPECIFICALLY goes into detail about each one.

(i'm looking for a link.. i'll post back)

because there are rules that are being ignored. HUMAN RIGHTS- tagging someone a terrorist now deems you to have no human rights.

who decides who's a terrorist? that's a pretty ambiguous term. that's the whole beauty of the war on terror.. there can never be a clear winner. it's a war that will go on forever if we let it. and the definition of terrorist is evolving daily. look at the MIAC report, it states that even domestic citizens that commit misdemeanors can be considered terrorist. terrorist is just a new way of saying "dissenters" people who dont go along with the program. by that definition I'M A TERRORIST because i believe in the constitution, they'll first call me a right wing extremist, which is so far from the truth. i'm a registered democrat! although, i find myself to be third party now.. but i am certainly not conservative. that's all part of it, the lie of the left and right.

i mean what you're saying is equivalent to saying "well, that holocaust thing was only for the jews" i mean, it's unbelievable. a few days ago, obama said these people are prisoners of war and can be held indefinitely. I suggest you read up on international law and the concept of "prisoners of war". The Gitmo detainees are essentially being treated as prisoners of war under Geneva, even though we have no right whatsoever to do so because these are not uniform-wearing soldiers of a nation that has signed the Geneva treaty. Neither are they "criminals" under US law because US law does not apply in the battlefields of Iraq, Afghanistan, or elsewhere. US criminal law applies only to citizens or legal residents of the US, inside the US. yeah, he's shutting down gitmo but he's opening other secret prisons to house all these "POW"'s where all the same shit is gonna go on. it's a joke.

but if your government is truly controlled behind closed doors, what does the popularity vote matter? so say bush snr. continued in iraq and got voted out of office come the next election, the next guy to come in would have the same stance and it ultimately would not matter. you said it earlier on in the thread that mccain, bush and obama were the same person.

and correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the US recently cancel a number of debts with various countries?

on a completely unrelated note, i really wish i had chosen to study international studies rather than specialist maths this year :/

the popular vote matters because they still have to give you the illusion that america is still america, otherwise there would be a lot more people like me, keen to what's going on and they'd have a revolution on their hands. it's a delicate process stealing your freedoms. it's like two steps forward one step back, they'll ask for your porch but will negotiate the sidewalk, then they'll ask for your living room and negotiate your porch. then they'll want your kitchen and comprise for the living room. it's like the analogy of the boiling frog. if you put a frog in water and gradually turn the heat up.. it will go unnoticed and the frog will sit there until it's too late. where as if u tried to drop a frog into already boiling water, it'd jump out. and with what i said about obama and mccain, you have to give the illusion of choice but ultimately the people in control arent voted on.

as for the debt claim, i havnet heard of that... i'm not saying its not true. but find out more..find out which countries. i mean i cant see anyone saying, okay... you dont have to pay us back. or maybe agreements to sell of resources instead of taxing the people? i'm not sure, i dont know anything of it so i cant speak to it directly. but if what you say is true i would be suprised if you couldnt find an ulterior agenda in there

those detained are fighting against US forces in afghanistan in support of the taliban. they don't wear uniforms, and they haven't signed the geneva treaty because because that's just how they run. they are essentially a ragged bunch. do you really think the taliban would sign the geneva treaty, by the way? they're essentially guerillas and most probably a minority group in afghanistan today. what the recent US invasion led to was what it was like in afghanistan before the taliban came into power. no longer do people fear being persecuted, publicly stoned to death, beat in the streets for giving a member of the taliban a "bad look." it's an incredibly difficult war to win, and i'm sure it's better to detain a suspect than set him free in the given circumstances.

so why was there no full-scale revolution during the vietnam war? the gulf war, in comparison, was nothing especially given the low amount of casualties.


to name but a few; bolivia, niger, ethiopia, ghana, mozambique are all being assisted. whereas afghanistan, haiti, chad, somalia and sudan are all either receiving debt aid or are under consideration for it, given they meet specific requirements.

this initiative began in 1996 and as of april this year, this is what has happened.

you've done all this research, but this just goes to show that it has been selective. you claim the NWO has an agenda, but i submit that you, and all others waging this "infowar" are the ones blinded by your own agenda.

i mean, i hear what you're saying... but it sounds an awful lot like the stuff we're force fed through media whores. that they are a rag-tag bunch of terrorist. despite the real or hyped threat that the taliban pose, they are small beans in grand scheme of things. they are just being used as leverage in the "war on freedom" as i like to call it. i'm not saying there arent legitimate threats in the world.. but the "terror watch list" has grown (from something around 100,000) to over a million organizations and names since 911. it's just a means for control. as for afghan being "safer" now is just silly.. i mean look at the poppy/opium production before and after our invasion. seems like the government has there hands in the drug business once again (referring to the iran-contra) or google "toruture photos" + "obama" he's supressing photos of military men that rape children infront of their families as a means to gain information. again, i could not make these things up!

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2008/September/08-nsd-807.html

"Increased the number of Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTF) from 33 before 9/11 to more than 100 today, and increased the number of JTTF officers from under 1,000, to roughly 3,900 today" (posted in 2008)

it's about setting up bases and taking over, not "detaining suspects given the circumstances"

the vietnam war was protested after it's inception and ultimately was ended due to the publics demand. i've spoken with vietnam vets that had no idea what was going on, but were being told they were helping and making things better. just like in iraq, they duped us into getting over there.. and a few years later when people saw what was going on, they came out against it. and what is obama saying he's gonna do to appease the masses "i'm gonna start removing troops from iraq" IS HE BRINGING THEM HOME?!?!?! no.

and most of the countries you named that are being aided are in africa. you just opened up a big can of worms with that one. isnt it pretty common knowledge that africa has its natural resources habitually pillaged? not only from us, but theres a big fight between us and china who gets to set up shop down there. and your pdf just proves i'm right.. its' saying they are giving aid to them. it doesnt say the aid will go unpaid. like i stated in previous posts, this is a way of owning people. you put a country in debt, such debt that it can not repay and you inturn own that country and its resources. instead of conquering by war, they conquer through economy. and as for the world bank is concerned.. do a little research into that, all of their projects only have something like a 40% success rate. i mean, what are they really doing for the PEOPLE. my info is not selective, i just know how to read it.

believe me when i say that the mainstream media has had hardly any effect on me, whatsoever. yes, the list of threats has grown because relative to before 9/11, no one really cared that much. that was the largest attack on US soil in history. people are scared, and the media hasn't helped with it's scare mongering tactics.

and in terms of human rights in afghanistan, yes, it's a much better place now than it was before US involvement. how do you think the taliban fund their operation? the opium and poppy trade. it only makes sense that it should increase now, as they need funding more than ever.

and the iran-contra scandal was concerning arms, iran and israel, not the drug trade.

what is our agenda if you dont mind me asking? you will soon learn to interpret news articles and political rhetoric, once you start waking up to the other truths that i've alluded to. you cant accept parts of it.. you have to see the whole thing and only when you start seeing the whole picture is the propaganda easier to sift through.

omg are we having a real discussion on this board!? i love it.


the iran-contra was concerning arms, however you're overlooking the CIA was bringing tons of cocaine back with them to distribute to inner-cities and minority/poverty groups.. it was a way to "clean" the streets, and jail millions of "undesirables" and dont be fooled, saying that they need more funding so the production is being increased. you really think we're having a hard time taking over? we are already in control of afghan the trade has gone up since it's been on our watch. you really think this disorganized bunch of extremists are putting up a real fight against our entire army? check out the showtime documentary on "the american drug war" it goes into great detail of the cia bringing cocaine into the country and even whistleblowers on the inside. Showing court room footage of the cia being called out on this claim. really watch it.

all of these points you guys are trying to debunk, are extensively discussed in any number of the films i've posted here. i mean really, it would save me a ton of time if you just watched them, and then came back with your arguments. i mean, i'm just a regular person and all this is just knowledge that i've retained from a multitude of sources. i dont have whole production teams working on finding my proof. however these movies do and all the claims are cited or show the actual papers themselves. it would be impossible for me to remember every single date and event that they cover. whether you agree with me or not shouldnt you at least know the counter claims of the argument that you're proposing? and as for the largest attack on US soil.. the question, the real question you should be asking... who is behind that attack. now i know i'm gonna loose some people here, but the evidence of 911 being an inside job is so overwhelming it doesnt even make sense to consider that "al-qeda" could've possibly had anything to do with. they are simply the fall guys. ask yourself, who benefits from the world trade center coming down?

the people that want to push world government. in the film reflections and warnings 11 months prior to 911 rockefeller said there will be a catalyzing event in the near future which is going to start a war on terror! i mean, how could he have known if it wasnt planned. it's the heglien dialect of problem reaction solution. they created the problem so they could carry out their agenda.


edit: and not to mention the cloaked dealings between the bush and bin-laden family. for videos on 911 truth
great ones are:

the 911 chronicles
911 the road to tyranny
loose change: final cut
or youtube any video with jesse ventura 911 truth on main stream news
or infact type 911 truth "fox news" or "msnbc" and you'll see reputable guests coming on asking questions that the commission report does not answer and all these people are immediately shot down by the anchor calling them crazy or trying to discredit them. there is an entire scholars society saying 911 was a controlled demolition. and dont get me started on building 7 or the fact that thermite residue has been found on pieces coming from the world trade center. a residue that is only present in explosives. when you hear things on the news that contradict what i'm saying, its just the bankers trying to keep their power.

just a heads up that this is my last post for tonight. i have to do some study.


the vietnam war was a sustained effort spanning a matter of years. the gulf war of the 90s, was short and sweet. there wouldn't have been protests on the scale of vietnam for the same reason that there aren't protests of the scale today.


they are working to eliminate their debt so as to eliminate poverty (which is opening up a big can of worms for me, as there is no simple solution to it, and this program is definitely a step in the right direction.) perhaps they aren't saying that it goes unpaid because... well... it doesn't. should i conclude each post with "i will not stab you in the face?" no. that goes without saying. by eliminating poverty in these countries, it gives them an opportunity for growth and prosperity. the people will benefit with stability. no more rwandas, no more darfurs.


you take a piece of information, you skew it towards your contention and are blinded by it. you put everything towards getting your agenda out to the masses, to convince them that you're right when it is quite possible that you are not.

i would have to disagree that there aren't massive protests going on today.. the question is that do they get any real media coverage? and the answer is no. the guise that they are eliminating poverty is no new concept, they can say that's what they want to do all they want. but if you look at the numbers all these efforts that have been going on render very little change. like i said the world bank only has 40% success rate in its endeavors. and if you look at the numbers in regards to the wealth gap and funds allotted to fighting poverty you will see a HUGE decline. there is more poverty in the world than ever before and it is a direct result of these central banksters. my agenda is not to convince people i'm right. my agenda is to have everyone seek out information on their own. the info is out there.. i'm just serving as an intermediary for the information to get to you. please, watch the material i've posted and then we can have a real discussion and i'll be happy to continue on this talk. and i think you'll be surprised at what you learn. i'm on a quest for truth, whether it coincides with world government or not is up to you. but the brass tacks of it, are fact.. how that fits into your picture of the world is not up to me to determine.

I finally gave this thread a read and laughed my ass off at the concept of anyone in the world actually adhering to international law.

i appreciate the heads up on this being your last post for the night-

just the fact that i got you thinking about it, is a great sign.

and it is just the beginning of your journey to the truth so i will end tonight with some quote from other notables on the subject

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." - thomas jefferson

"The bold effort the present (central) bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it." - andrew jackson

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." — President Woodrow Wilson

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance." — James Madison

"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." — Henry Ford



good night to you all.

that's the best part of controlling the money, you dont need people to adhere to international laws.. they have no choice in the matter. the banksters have a monopoly on money creation. when the dollar crashes (and it will) how are you gonna buy your groceries? how are you to sustain living at all, unless you succumb to will of the money-changers.





sidenote: in regards to the dollar collapsing, you watch.. you're gonna start to hear on the news that there are good signs of the recession turning around in the next six months to a year (which is a preposterous claim, not to mention IMPOSSIBLE) to trick all the suckers into investing their money one last time before the rug is ripped out from under them.

I am not sure what you're on about concerning this money business.

And on top of all this. What is your plan? What political ideology are you trying to push forward to solve all of this? I just don't get it.

side note that i wasn't studying anything related to what you were arguing.

i dont have a political ideology to push on to anyone. all i'm doing is looking for truth and trying to guide other people to finding out the truth. i cant say there is one definitive solution to the problem however, i can state that the first step to fixing the problem is gettin the masses to recognize that there is a problem. one solution entails massive non-compliance, the only way they can achieve their goal is by getting us to go along with it. for example: if they say you cant fly unless you have a "real id card" and no one accepts the id card, let the airlines fail. eventually, they'll revoke the necessity of the card. the logic behind the civil disobedience is that, how can they enforce something if everyone is against it? the keyword there is civil. if we just stand up and say NO, there isnt much they can do. the strength is in numbers. it is a crisis in consciousness. all i'm trying to do is make people aware of what's going on.- what they choose to do with that information is up to them.

yeah i figured you meant some school work. although i hope when you do get some free time, you study the information i've presented

What problem? You've posted so many different links and bits of information that I don't even know what your point is anymore.

Coming from the guy who claims that I don't know how to use the internet. I mean...I'm on it right now. C'mon. I'm just saying if you bring wikipedia to a "deep" conversation like this I'm not gonna take you serious.

Also, I actually do think you're pushing this on us even though you say you're not. Posting link, facts and talking over and over about it to me is a form of pushing. You're trying to get the ideals in our head in a less aggressive matter. If you're trying to open up to people, wouldn't you be after friends? Like tell them you're a new person cause you looked into this. I think that's a way better method to getting someone to open their thoughts. Better method than a message board that has nothing to do with the topic on hand. Unless...you have no friends.

wait, so i can post over 50 times with all sorts of sources and because i mention wikipedia ONE time, that discredits everything i've said? and why are you so down on wikipedia anyway- if this was a topic on some sports team history or finding other obscure facts, wikipedia would be a fine source and you know it. (this is where you say, but just anyone can upload whatever they want!) and i know that. but they do have people whose job it is to monitor it, and yes there can be misinformation posted on it.. but have you ever done it? because it doesnt stay up there very long. on the 911 wikipedia i posted it was an inside job. and they edited within a few hours. i mean, when i say you guys are jumping all over the smallest things i say and ignore all the hard evidence it just makes you look like you're opposing this view just to be on the other side of it.

and hey pretentious guy.. like i'm talking to just you. if you dont want to read what what's in here... DONT CLICK THE THREAD. and if it's that you just dont get it, i dont know how i can present it any clearer but there are other people on here like the pet rock or danny that are asking legit questions that they would like answered. so as to my continuous postings, they are specific responses to specific people. (like this one, is to you.) and for your final comments i'm not sure what you're trying to say.. i should be trying to make friends here? or i should be trying to convert my friends? because if you think my close circle of friends havent already heard what i had to say on the subject matter you're nuts. and if you meant i should be looking for friendship on here, who's to say i'm not? i dont think i said anything in this post to deter friendship. infact, i cant think of anything better to tell your friends about. i mean, you dont give the enemy the game plan right? if i said anything that teeters on the lines of rude, that's only directed towards people that are making outright attacks just calling me crazy. and to be honest, it is something i take very seriously and it is a true reflection of my dismay towards such close minded thinking. and then you go on to saying that this has no relevance at a saosin board, despite the fact i posted it in the "non-saosin" forum, which i think technically means i'm exactly right in this being the medium, being that this is certainly nothing to do with saosin. it is a gather of people that sit around on the internet and take other peoples opinions into consideration? no? am i mistaken in that?


finally, deano asks what's the point..what is this problem?

i'll try to make it short as possible. and put very simplistically..

a long time ago bankers realized that the "receipts" they gave out to represent the reserves of gold a person had in the bank were good enough (this is what has become our money system). they also realized that people hardly ever came in to collect their gold out because it was "safer" in the bank and the receipts were more convenient to carry around than a bunch of heavy pieces of gold. so when they realized that they didnt even physically need the gold to issue the receipt- the plan had begun. so through massive examples in history you see where the money-changers and royalty started to control government and people by the issuance of money. now insert here 80 some years of this continuous manipulation (inciting wars, and conflict for profit. withholding resources and the control of production for their personal gain) and add to the that the instance someone came up with the idea of credit! and interest! and really got a hold of things.. now introduce the concept of world government to these bankster. when our country was founded, i'm talkin jamestown, john smith. and our first colonies starting popping up. we were still just an off-shoot of britain, and were still under tyranny from the king. it is a misconception that the tea party was due to taxes, though taxes were a hot button issue the real problem the founders had was the inability to create their own money.(AN INHERENTLY BETTER SYSTEM) this lead to the tax revolt and the freedom of our country. but it wasnt until later that the central bank of the united states had slyly infiltrated once again, under the guise of stability in the marketplace (which is an even bigger farce that still goes on to this day, [they controlled every depression in history].) and ever since then it's been a fight to bring america under a fascist dictatorship. and again i'm trying to make this a summary.. all of this i have previously gone into somewhere in this thread. and how this leads up to today, and barack obama? and the movie that is the title of this thread?.. is that he claims to be for the people, but he is nothing more than a front for these financiers and wallstreet oligarchs. that this whole bailout thing is the biggest clue staring you in the face. WHO IS GOING TO PAY BACK THIS MASSIVE DEBT??? the future generations, we are currently being enslaved and there are 1000000000000 people who choose to just ignore it and go along with the program because that's how far along we are in their endgame, we were born into it! it is time to take our country back from these criminals. everyone in the bilderberg group IS A CRIMINAL, just a criminal that has acquired respect. the film is about all of that and world government and the big picture, not so much barack obama. you wait and see the things to come in the next two years... it's gonna make the great depression look like a kiddie pool in the middle of a lake. i'm talkin even bigger unemployment lines that right now, the dollar collapsing, people loosing everything, there will be a massive unrest, whether that is out of despair of being taken advantage of or the realizations i'm presenting here and us taking it back.




that's the point. we're only headed in one place and it's up to us to decide whether we continue to be a fee people or allow the powers to be to succeed in there century old plan. the end

edit: son of a bitch- double post!

just re-read my last post and thats really the shortest way i can put it. it's you have to look at every part of the picture to understand. and that's how all my rants have been relevant to my initial post and the subject at hand.

A lot of these have been around since the 70s or before and nothing has come of them. So when is the take over going to happen?

i made note of that after i posted it. that's a technique is all.. they pass legislation that future presidents can use. as for wen this is gonna happen..... as soon as they think they can get away with it. which i personally feel is pretty close. it will definitly happen in my life time. my guess is that when the economy implodes the new world order will rise out of the ashes of the depression. this collapse is planned.. it's a step in eliminating the middle class. also,after they disarm the american people is another case where not soon after would b an ideal time to implement big government as the savior but thaat you can take as just my opinion.

Do you realize how completely and utterly INSANE you are for thinking that.

Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands is one of the criminals in the most highly organised cartel in the history of mankind?

You don't understand how responsible government is tied into most constitutions around the world. There are means to stop things like that, and if someone ie. Barack Obama tried to change the political system, he would have an extremely hard time attaining the kind of power you are talking about. Fascism is still one of the dirtiest words in the world since world war 2. Do you really think that it would go back to that? You can't get a fascist dictatorship these days anyway without the market absolutely sucking. The banks are being bailed out so that they begin to lend again, if you gave the money to people, it would just be a waste of money by giving it to people who don't know how to use it.

You are utterly insane and people like you are questioning unquestionable truths, so instead of people asking real questions, you are asking these ones and halting the progression of the human race.

moat, dictatorships always collapse under their own weight when they get too big...what makes you think a worldwide dictatorship would be able to maintain itself well enough to work?

so you think that queen beatrix being the daughter of one of the globalist founders and former nazi prince bernhard holds no bearing?

and as for obama trying to change to political system, you havent been listening at all. BARACK OBAMA HOLDS NO WEIGHT ON ANY REAL DECISION MAKING. he is a puppet carrying out the agenda of globalists. look at his cabinet! i cant make that up.

"Quietly slipped into the law at the last minute, at the request of the Bush administration, were sections changing important legal principles, dating back 200 years, which limit the U.S. government’s ability to use the military to intervene in domestic affairs. These changes would allow Bush, whenever he thinks it necessary, to institute martial law—under which the military takes direct control over civilian administration. (See “Bush Paves the Way for Martial Law”, online at revcom.us)

On May 9 Bush took another big step in this direction, without almost any notice in the mainstream press. Bush signed an order designated as National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD 51) and Homeland Security Presidential Directive 20 (HSPD 20). This decree calls for Bush or a subsequent president to assume what is, in essence, dictatorial powers in the event of a “catastrophic emergency.”

The Directive defines “catastrophic emergency” very loosely, saying that it “means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions.” Under this definition, everything from another hurricane like Katrina to a severe economic crisis could be used as a reason for the President to invoke the powers spelled out in the Directive. The “incident” doesn’t even have to take place within the United States."

this isnt my opinion.. this is what is happening. who declares if there is a national emergency??? at any time he can just say okay, we've had enough of this seperation of powers thing, and assume absolute rule. I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP however "insane" it may sound..

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/about/offices/fcd1...ffices/fcd1.pdf very lengthy.. highlights sections 2 3 and 4- read intuitively

Here is a confirmed list of the US delegation (more may be known later)that just attended the 2009 bilderberg meeting in greece:

Keith B. Alexander, Director of the National Security Agency
Roger Altman, Former U.S. Deputy Treasury Secretary under Bill Clinton
George David, Chairman of the Board of Directors of Coca-Cola HBC
Timothy Geithner, United States Secretary of the Treasury
Donald Graham, CEO and chairman of the board of The Washington Post Company
Richard Holbrooke, Obama’s special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan
Vernon Jordan, Senior Managing Director with Lazar Freres & Co. LLC, Boards of American Express, J.C. Penney Corporation, Xerox, Asbury Automotive Group and the Dow Jones & Company
Robert Kagan, Senior Associate with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Member of the Order of Skull & Bones
Henry Kissinger, Political scientist, diplomat, and winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, Kissinger Associates, Kissinger McLarty Associates, Board of directors of Hollinger International, and Gulfstream Aerospace.
Jessica Matthews, President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Craig Mundie, Chief research and strategy officer at Microsoft
Richard Perle, American Enterprise Institute
David Petraeus, Commander, U.S. Central Command
David Rockefeller, Banker and statesman, Founder of Trilateral Commission
Dennis Ross, Special adviser for the Persian Gulf and Southwest Asia to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
Paul Volcker, Former Federal Reserve director, Chair of President Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board
James Wolfensohn, Former president of the World Bank
Paul Wolfowitz, Former U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, president of the World Bank, currently AEI scholar
Fareed Zakaria, Journalist, author, and CNN host. Member of the Order of Scroll & Key


it is directly against the law for these people to be meeting in to discuss world policy any way you cut it. it is illegal for elected officials to meet in private with non-elected officials and discuss policy. period. again, i cant make that up.. recently in the news you heard all these philanthropist's meeting, rockefeller, oprah, bill gates etc... now how come you hear about that meeting, but you dont hear about this meeting? if there were 130 of the worlds top celebrities meeting in secret somewhere, there would be every photographer and media outlet there covering it. WHY NO COVERAGE OF THIS MEETING!?!? i'm not making this stuff up, i couldnt. also, i think it is very naive to think these things cant ever happen.. and just like you said only fascism can come from a horrible market. what is going on right now? you clearly dont know much about the money system itself and the way it really operates.

let me ask you some questions..

1. how did this recession actually come to be?
2. who decides when the banks call back their loans?
3. who decides if the banks can issue new loans?
4. how is money created to begin with?
5. who decides the interest rates, and are they regulated?
6. what happened to the glass steagall act? (and who was directly behind it?)

let me give you some help. see the whole reason we're in this mess, is intentional. the bankers decide what date they choose to call-in their loans.. the banks decide who to issue loans to as well. now if they knowingly gave out bad loans, which has come out in mainstream media, why would a banking institution do this seemingly irresponsible act? the answer is simple.. they new the people could pay it back. you keep saying the government is "bailing out the banks" but you dont even know what that means. where does the government get it's money from to loan to these failing banks? THEY BORROW IT FROM A PRIVATE CENTRAL BANK, THE FEDERAL RESERVE. and where do they get it from? NOWHERE they just fucking print it! why is this a hard concept to grasp and no banker on the planet is giving money away for free. of course there will be interest applied to the debt.. that now rests on our shoulders, because our government sold us out. the glass steagall act was implemented to protect the consumers from the credit companies taking advantage of them. and who got rid of that????? TIMOTHY GEITNER.. and guess what position he is holding at this very moment. the national treasury secretary. how convenient for the federal reserve to have their former head in the white house now. if that's not greasing the wheels i dont know what is. this will all eventually come to be common knowledge the public are always just a little behind the curve is all.

Mark Twain:

In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.

Autobiography, 1959

stop believing the lies the tv tells you and do some research on your own. dont pretend you know how these things work, when it isnt your place to know. they dont want you to know. and if none of you do any research you never will know... these claims can be life shattering, i understand that. i understand it breaks foundations that you've lived your whole life on. just because it threatens your view of the world doesnt mean it isnt true. and it doesnt mean i'm crazy.

side note: how is it that all these kids today are graduating high school when they can hardly read or do simple math? no child left behind and all these new age feel gooderies, they want to promote feeling good about yourself rather than being intelligent. the schools dont teach critical thinking, all they want you to do is spit out memorized nonsense back on the test paper. there is no real education going on. they say here remember these facts and regurgitate them at a later time. how can it be that the people of america are getting dumber?! it is all intentional. look at who controls the public school systems and board


edit: please give me an example of these responsible governments adhering to the national constitutions.. certainly not ours. look into the WHO (world health organization) pandemic alerts 4-6 and see what the ramifications of six are.. swine flu? level six is forced inoculations, and martial law.

this is very true. all throughout history will for freedom overcomes and eventually succeeds. however, thats not to say tons of fucked up shit doesnt go on for a long time before they crumble. look at babylon or rome for that matter. just because it is difficult to attain and maintain does not mean that there arent people seeking out that power. and with technology added to the picture.. they have a very real chance at success. it is so foolish to act like it could never happen.. that is a defeatist attitude in my opinion. (but i like that you're on the side of freedom)

Don't. Talk. Shit.

Dont drag babylon into this Moat.

Wait is this still going on.

Every president that ever existed sucks according to someone.

I voted for Darth Vader last year, and said Jedi was my religion. Maybe after light sabers come into existence others will actually vote for him too, but there would still be that one trekkie prick saying "Spock would be a better president."

I still don't understand how you know so much about the Bilderberg Group and their meetings if there is zero media coverage of any aspect.

The internet, duh.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

I liked the comics.

..yeah that's much more credible than wikipedia.

check the "further reading" section at the bottom. makes reference to popular mechanics and the national institute of standards and technology.