Because poor people suck and whales RULE.

If the bankers run the US Government and are trying to fuck over the common man all day every day, how come the bankers got screwed over in the Chrysler bankruptcy plan? Obama and the US Government completely disregarded the Rule of Law and hung the bankers and bondholders out to dry by paying off the UAW at a higher rate than they should've received. Is this part of the international scheme?

probably the best thing you've ever said.

you have to look at what banks are getting saved.. jpmorgan chase manhatten, goldman sachs and they're trying to save. citibank.but saccrifice the others. why these banks? because the owners are part of this circle. and dont be fooled.. i mean look at how obama is handling this GM bankruptcy..

all the bailout money they got is being shipped to offshore banks.

billions.. of our money is ending up in foreign banks. gimme a little bit and i'll link to these claims.

I wouldn't mind my grandchildren growing up in the ultimate Chinese dynasty.

That's not what I'm talking about at all. Nevermind.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124217356836613091.html
This is what I'm talking about though. Read it, it's a good article.

where did the AIG bailout money go? 200 billion dollars

who got that money?

barclays' bank of great britain - 10 billiion
duestch bank of germany - 10-15 billions
some french bank i cant even attempt to spell 10 billions
union bank of switzerland another 10-15 billion
goldmannsachs 10-15 billions


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSprS3htmL4

watch all four parts. webster tarpley is a huge brain. economic analyst

Sounds like the Jews are up to something...

yeahhh thats what im talking about.. this administration shits on the constitution daily. we are in fascism!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-MqBxwbeWg


hahahahahhahahaha "what is the charge?" "it doesnt matter"

un fucking real.

Okay Moat, you are not understanding my question. The banks control the government in your eyes right? The banks are also the one's who invest in large companies such as Chrysler. When Chrysler filed bankruptcy, the US Government (controlled by the banks) took over the proceedings (which is odd anyways). Bankruptcy sucks for everyone involved, but there are practiced, age-old steps to it. The major funders (in this case, the banks/bondholders) are the primary lenders. Then, there are lesser funders (The UAW, other organizations) and they are secondary lenders. In any other bankruptcy case, the primary lenders are paid off in a higher amount than the secondary lenders. Yet, in the Chrysler case, the UAW receives around 50 cents on the dollar, where the bankers receive about 30 cents on the dollar. Why would a bank-controlled government decide to fuck themselves over in this manner?

Bobby they're only trying to make it look like they're fucking themselves over !!

they're not press releases. they're leaked reports.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15335720/Bilderb...ory-Report-1956

a group set up to improve post-WWII american-european relations!! oh, god help us all!!!

so... elected officials have no freedom of speech, and are unable to consult with leading, influential figures in the most frank terms?

PETA had a 90-95% kill rate last year.

Moat: You post all these 'facts' and whatnot but:

come on, i mean.. would you take the press release from the devil as true if he said he was trying to help you

Also, I think I saw earlier that you're not posting 'facts' but 'claims'

It's about time they got the upper hand on everyone...for once.

npleez.. when i state a fact, i say it's a fact. the only things i say are claims are things i cant prove or have a hard time finding links for you guys. let's not get into a debate of semantics. and dont lie, this is slowly becoming your favorite thread... lol i can tell just by the better responses i'm getting from people. ACTUAL DISCUSSION is happening and i couldnt be happier



now lets get to the facts..

Bilderberg.. was actually a new name for the Venetian Black Nobility
secondly, this new world order is more appropriately title the anglo-american empire
also.. "bilderberg" is a term that came from them not actually having a name just that they were discovered to be secretly meeting at the bilderberg hotel. it's more of a "brotherhood" than it is the "bilderberg club" it's whole goal is to promote this empire. so really, you could say it is in fact a way to "improve" relations with america and europe. but you have to define relations.

and as for you to say that i was trying to promote an idea that "elected officials dont have free speech" is absurd. however, i was saying that once you become an elected official it is illegal to meet with other non-elected officials to discuss policy. THERE ARE FORUMS for this kind of thing. it has to be done by the book. they can talk to whoever they want.. and in fact i encourage diplomacy. but that is NOT what is going on here.

and now on to bobby. see you're still thinking dollars and cents. money is not the goal.. they have the money. the goal is control.... and just like you said, it's odd that government is coming in the way they are, it is very "anti-free market." That, in the free market system these companies should be let fail. the implications of bankruptcy like you said are enormous. EVERYONE hurts from it. but you have to look at you gains in this situation? you have to look at the big picture. also, is it a coincidence that all of these companies that were given "bailout" money FAILED anyway.. where is this money going? BACK TO THE BANKS for they buy up and now own and control all of these companies, and they bought it for PENNIES. sure we'll 20 cents on the dollar to the union workers. we cant have them revolt before we come in and "save" them. THEY ARE GOING TO BE DESTITUTE. they are systematically crumbling the economy to buy everything up. They are introducing all these control grids and id systems and surveillance units. i was speaking with a friend of mine, a fellow infowarrior. and he was telling me that i have to look at how i'm telling people and by that he meant.. nobody else sees this stuff as impending doom and so you getting like that is off-putting. so i apologize for that.. but you people have to understand that this is dire! you have no idea the kind of horrible depression that is looming over this country. things are going to be bad.


i promise you, i have no motive.. no intention OTHER THAN TRYING TO HELP YOU. i know how powerful the scene crowd's influence can be. we need you to use that, and spread the word. at shows, start conversations.. get people aware of these things. SET BUSH FIRES IN THE MINDS OF THE PEOPLE.

Stephen Lukes states that the second dimension of power is unofficial decision making. People discussing policy happens everywhere, these informal decisions become a part of the first dimension of power and are acted upon. Since when is it illegal? If a politician is consulting the public, and they discuss the policy, is that illegal?

since 1779 with The Logan Act

http://law.jrank.org/pages/8357/Logan-Act.html
http://www.answers.com/topic/logan-act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act#Text_of_the_Logan_Act
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/usc...53----000-.html

pretty much since our country started.. and dont say oh that was so long ago.. because the right to free speech pre-dates that. and surely you cant think that's out-dated. also, i forgot to mention in regards to UAW they got fucked beyond belief when they were duped into giving up their health-care for shares of chrysler and gm. that's actually worth nothing. listen to that webster tarpley interview.. they talk about it.

and to that stephen lukes quote, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! he's not saying those things happen in a good sense, he's saying that these dark dealings go on and ultimately end up implemented. this whole collapse is engineered by the same people giving you all the solutions! it's about consolidation! i mean, all the proof is right in front of your face!

here's a better quote illustrating the same thing that stephen luke was trying to get across..

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. " Dwight D. Eisenhower

"You and I -- my fellow citizens -- need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nation's great goals. " Dwight D. Eisenhower

both taken from his farewell speech to the american people, if you would like to read it in full. it's here:
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html
Section IV particularly


our principles, are not torture, are not economic thievery, are not big government, are not starting wars... we have ben lead off the path. this country started as the birthplace of liberty and freedom. and we were supposed to nurture it and improve upon it. and be above the rest, set the example. how can we set an example, when we're invading countries, and detaining people illegally and torturing them. it's up to us to bring it back on course. only WE THE PEOPLE can do this. WAKE UP! SPREAD THE WORD, wake up as many people as you can. make it the cool thing to do rather than just writing it off as crazy talk. stop believing the main stream media lies!

Published Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:52:24 PM


US counterterrorism officials are worried that al-Qaeda may mount a biological attack from Mexico and could even seek to collaborate with domestic terrorists, the Washington Times reports. The fears are bolstered by a February video from Kuwait al-Qaeda recruiter Abdullah al-Nafisi. In the video, Nafisi boasted that anthrax “carried by a fighter through tunnels from Mexico into the US” would “kill 330,000 Americans.”

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!? come on. you cant see how this is fear mongering, or a pre-text to some planned event that could be used to round people up for "quarantine" (see nigga pleez that is a claim)

and what about this?

U.S. Patent #5676977 patent for the cure for aids in 1997 by Dr. Robert Gallo

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?...p;RS=PN/5676977

U.S. Patent #4647773 patent for the continuous production of aids?? also, By Dr. Robert Gallo

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?...p;RS=PN/4647773

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8567399552051355527

11 years??!?!

and check out the date on the production one. 1987.. hmm, when did aids start? can someone do a google search on that for me. in predating the patent there was a government virus creation program. and if you're government had a virus creation program.. and soon after aids emerges. shouldnt it be investigated? oh yeah, Robert Gallo was a member of this board! whatttt, and he's on both patents for aids. HELLOO
if they could do this, why is 9/11 a stretch? why is swine flu or the article i just posted a stretch. why havent you ever heard a word about the cure for aids? even if it's just a potential cure.. you still dont think that's worthy of headlines?!?! i cant make this stuff up, those are .gov websites. THE OFFICIAL U.S. patent office.

The way that I read that, does not relate to the Bilderberg Group. As the Bilderberg Group consists of high up government officials and even leaders. To be there, they obviously would have to have some kind of permission. Plus, that law seems kind of unconstitutional. That law is there pretty much to combat treason. If these policies were as illegal as you think, lots of high up officials would be out of a job by now.

How much torturing has happened since Obama came in and took a very strong stance against it. Let me just give you a bit of insight into the world. Its fucked. What is worse...some terrorists getting tortured for information...or a terrorist blowing up a nightclub or a station on the tube or anywhere else there have been terrorist attacks.

I'm not going to comment on the counter terrorism thing. Other than while there are possibilities of those kinds of things happening, every government induces their country with some fear.

AIDS has been around for over 25 years now (there are reports of it first existing in 1959), but for now i'd like to play a game. It's called, find the name Dr. Robert Gallo on the patent for the cure of AIDS!!!
I'd like to be corrected for you to have more of a point, but I seriously couldn't find anything linking him to that. What they registered is that they were going to produce the virus for continuous research into a cure, which Dr. Gallo has not achieved yet.

The hunt for a cure is still continuing, if there was an effective cure, there would definitely be an uproar that it is not being mass produced at the moment.

Dr. Pierone stated the following:
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Startin...nt/Q154827.html



In order to patent something, it doesn't have to work.

9/11 is a stretch because the entire idea of it is retarded. The whole government operation that involves thousands and thousands of people being discovered by some college students somewhere? The whole idea of it is preposterous.

this is gonna be too easy..

first of all, you're going a lot based off assumption.. as your assumption of "To be there, they obviously would have to have some kind of permission." "If these policies were as illegal as you think, lots of high up officials would be out of a job by now." these high ranking officials SHOULD BE JAILED, no one knows about it and just because they're not in jail is more proof of just how corrupt our system has become. and what do you mean, they obviously have permission? where is this so obvious? just based on the fact that they're doing it? that's absurd. and how much torturing has gone on since obama? have you not read one post in this whole thread. protecting the criminals makes you an accessory after the fact. what happened to all this supposed transparency in government? just because he says he's taking a stance against it doesnt mean anything. LOOK AT HIS ACTIONS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1fkG77DG8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6LtL9lCTRA...feature=related
these are videos of george bush saying "we do not torture" and hindsight shows, we certainly DO torture. and the information gathered from torture is not credible. someone being tortured will tell you whatever gets you to stop torturing them!

if you can recognize that bush is clearly an idiot and other people were obviously calling the shots,, what makes you think these people aren't calling the shots now? dont get sucked into the left/right lie.


Dr. William C. Douglas, believe that the World Health Organization created the AIDS epidemic by administering contaminated smallpox vaccines to people in third world countries (including Africa) between 1966 and 1977. Dr. Robert Gallo, famous for discovering HIV, lent credence to this theory when he said, "the link between the World Health Organization [vaccination] program and the [AIDS] epidemic in Africa is an interesting and important hypothesis. I cannot say that it actually happened, but I have been saying for some years that the use of live vaccines such as that used for smallpox can activate a dormant infection such as HIV".


On February 11, 2001, AIDS co-discover Dr. Robert C. Gallo, affirmed his participation in the federal virus program.

you give me some world insight? there are over 100 posts in this thread of world insight. and those reports you're referencing is disinformation to cover-up the government creation of aids. if you wanna say aids started from a man and a monkey, ask yourself how did it hit in new york and africa simultaneously? why did over 180 gay males that were given hepatitis b vaccine all die from AIDS. in africa they deployed aids through small pox vaccines and here they were given to gay and black males. it's goal was depopulation, getting rid of "undesirables" that of course did not stay contained to such communities

and you can scoff at 911 films, but you cant scoff at science. regardless of loose change or "some college kid" look at what you know about physics and science and nothing else. ask yourself some simple questions and you will come to the conclusion that the events of 911 were not only intentional but also IMPOSSIBLE based on the commission reports account of what happened.

question 1.
if the building really fell down to fire melting the steel.. would the building not come down in pieces? and bend and warp at the top?
questin 2.
how could these buildings have fallen at the near rate of gravity? how is that possible!!?
if i'm to believe that steel was melted from jetfuel .. let's look at jetfuel
jetfuel is comprised mostly of kerosene, and kerosene burns at a temperature of about 585 Fahrenheit
now propane burns at a temperature of 900 Fahrenheit.


the buildings burned each for a little over an hour. and then came down, now you mean to tell me.. that if you were to leave your propane grill on for more than an hour.. that your steel grates would melt??? OF COURSE NOT

the melting point of steel 2781 Fahrenheit

also, how do you explain the nano-thermite found in the debris??? nano-thermite is a particle that could've ONLY been made in a lab. thermite is found in explosives, and nano-thermite is so small and does not occure naturally. EXPLAIN IT. if my "theories" are so absurd .. explain to me building seven. no plane hit that one, and it collapse in its own footprint at freefall speeds! explain to me how NO OTHER BUILDING IN HISTORY every collapse due to fire? explain why a week before bomb sniffing dogs were removed from WTC.. explain why larry sommers took out all that insurance on his buildings specifically covering a plane crashing into it. explain this pretend war on terrorism? please give me your world insight.

I didn't read all of that... but the whole "George Bush said he didn't torture but doi, he his administration did" isn't a valid argument on whether or not Obama does.

Yeah, doi.



edit: Yeah Bryan, let's not get into semantics. We wouldn't want to confuse all these facts and claims with properly chosen words.

Let me use a Star Trek quote to shine some light on my view of torture:

the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

I think America needs to get some pussy. Hey, awesome, I live there!

Why would women want to see naked men scenes? Gross.

Yeah, but just like with arguments, if words turn to fists then control has been lost.

I don't know what that means Ben but I can tell you this, ask not what your country can do for you but where the fuck can I get some lortabs?

my argument in regards to my bush example was not proof obama tortures, just proof that you cant just go by what he says his stance is.. like that other guy was trying to do. politicians are liars, for the most part they lie more than they tell the truth. and that star trek quote supports my view of the world should not be ruled by the few. and to the guy that didnt read all of it.. you should, and follow up with your own research.. america could stand to do well with a little more pussy. all these people at the top are sexual deviants by the way, but that's a whole other thread. and not one person attempted to shed light on those 911 issues..

watch that richard gage interview on that morning show. how can anyone with half a brain watch these things and still say, yeah a group of guys in a cave somewhere pulled that off. IT WAS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM

Don't try to be a great man, just be a man. Let history make its own judgement.

That was retarded.


edit: Not control of one's self, control of the situation. 'Good man' is not synonymous with 'effective'. And the influence of one's historical place should bare no relevance when you're using logic.

I just wanted to respond with another Star Trek quote.

Moat, give me a week or so, I can't post a lot of volume till around the 17th as I have exams. In the mean time give this a read,.

http://www.debunking911.com/

at first i was intrigued. but upon further examination of that website.. some of it's claims are even more farfetched than mine.
that is a blatent lie.. youtube it right now, count the seconds yourself. if there was some rare video.. why didnt he link to it?



ALL of this is nonsense. there were TONS of NANO-THERMITE. still no mention of the 3000 degree melting point of steel.
look at that photo! you can SEE the perfect 45 degree cut in that beam. look for more pictures of it.. and then look for pictures of controlled demolitions. THAT IS HOW THEY MAKE IT "pancake" on itself.

and in that extensive background on osama bin laden if failed to mention his ties to the bush family, it failed to mention how he was a cia operative under the alias of "tim osman" if failed to mention how he was housed in a united states hospital when his kidney failed.
http://www.daily.pk/world/americas/10184-w...ror-attack.html (do a find search, and type tim osman) or a google search for that matter.

further things to look into, the creation of Al-Qeda which is a fake organization created by the cia. and the taliban is a real organiztion also helped created by the united states, to carry-out attacks on iran in secret. http://emperor.vwh.net/docs/pak.htm

1996–2001: On multiple occasions spies give detailed reports on bin Laden's location. Each time, the CIA director or top White House officials prevent bin Laden's elimination. [Los Angeles Times, 12/5/04, New York Times, 12/30/01, more]

2000–2001: 15 of the 19 hijackers fail to fill in visa documents properly in Saudi Arabia. Only six are interviewed. All 15 should have been denied entry to the US. [Washington Post, 10/22/02, ABC, 10/23/02] Two top Republican senators say if State Department personnel had merely followed the law, 9/11 would not have happened. [AP, 12/18/02, more]

2000–2001: The military conducts exercises simulating hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets causing mass casualties. One target is the World Trade Center (WTC), another the Pentagon. Yet after 9/11, over and over the White House and security officials say they’re shocked that terrorists hijacked airliners and crashed them into landmark buildings. [USA Today, 4/19/04, Military District of Washington, 11/3/00, New York Times, 10/3/01, more]

Jan 2001: After the Nov 2000 elections, US intelligence agencies are told to “back off” investigating the bin Ladens and Saudi royals. There have always been constraints on investigating Saudi Arabians. [BBC, 11/6/01, more]

Spring 2001: A series of military and governmental policy documents is released that seek to legitimize the use of US military force in the pursuit of oil and gas. One advocates presidential subterfuge and hiding the reasons for warfare “as a necessity for mobilizing public support.” [Sydney Morning Herald, 12/26/02, more]

May 2001: For the third time, US security chiefs reject Sudan’s offer of thick files on bin Laden and al-Qaeda. A senior CIA source calls it “the worst single intelligence failure in the business.” [Guardian, 9/30/01, more]

June-Aug 2001: German intelligence warns the CIA that Middle Eastern terrorists are training for hijackings and targeting American interests. Russian President Vladimir Putin alerts the US of suicide pilots training for attacks on US targets. In late July, a Taliban emissary warns the US that bin Laden is planning a huge attack on American soil. In August, Israel warns of an imminent Al Qaeda attack. [Fox News, 5/17/02, Independent, 9/7/02, CNN, 9/12/02, more]

July 4-14, 2001: Bin Laden reportedly receives kidney treatment from Canadian-trained Dr. Callaway at the American Hospital in Dubai. Dr. Callaway declines to comment. During his stay, bin Laden is allegedly visited by one or two CIA agents. [Guardian, 11/1/01, Sydney Morning Herald, 10/31/01, London Times 11/1/01, UPI, 11/1/01, more]

July 26, 2001: Attorney General Ashcroft stops flying commercial airlines due to a threat assessment. [CBS, 7/26/01] In May 2002, Ashcroft walks out of his office rather than answer questions about it. [Fox News/AP, 5/16/02, more]

Aug 6, 2001: President Bush receives an intelligence briefing warning that bin Laden might be planning to hijack commercial airliners. Titled “Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US,” the briefing specifically mentions the WTC. Yet Bush later claims it “said nothing about an attack on America.” [Washington Post, 4/12/04, Briefing, 8/6/01, more]

Aug 27, 2001: An FBI supervisor tries to ensure that a hijacker doesn't "take control of a plane and fly it into the World Trade Center." [Senate Report, 10/17/02] Headquarters chastises him for notifying the CIA. [Time, 5/21/02, more]

Sept 10, 2001: A number of top Pentagon brass suddenly cancel travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns. Why isn't this news spread widely? [Newsweek, 9/13/01, Newsweek, 9/24/01, more]

Sept 11, 2001: Data recovery experts extract data from 32 damaged WTC computer drives. The data reveals a surge in financial transactions shortly before the attacks. Illegal transfers of over $100 million may have been made through WTC computer systems immediately before and during the 9/11 disaster. [Reuters, 12/18/01, CNN, 12/20/01, more]

Sept 11, 2001: Described as a bizarre coincidence, a US intelligence agency was set for an exercise on Sept 11 at 9 AM in which an aircraft would crash into one of its buildings near Washington, DC. [USA Today/AP, 8/22/02, more]
Sept 13-19, 2001: Bin Laden's family is taken under FBI supervision to a secret assembly point. They leave the country by private plane when airports reopen days after the attacks. [New York Times, 9/30/01, Boston Globe, 9/20/01, more]

Sept 15-16, 2001: Several of the 9/11 hijackers, including lead hijacker Mohamed Atta, may have had training at secure US military installations. [Newsweek, 9/15/01, Washington Post, 9/16/01, New York Times, 9/15/01, more]

Sept 20, 2001: Several 9/11 hijackers later mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report turn up alive. "Five of the alleged hijackers have emerged, alive, innocent and astonished to see their names and photographs appearing on satellite television...The hijackers were using stolen identities." [quote in London Times, 9/20/01, see also BBC, 9/23/01, more]

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg more can be found there.. and all those links are clickable on that site.


you're gonna have to do better than that. and that blog your site links to is very fishy. i mean, of course they're gonna put out "debunking" pages. there are a lot more truth pages than there are "debunk" pages. and plenty of credible people dont believe the official story. you're going to have to do better than that. adieu

and can you believe they are actually trying to say that there are "white" al-qeda now? that there could be 300,000 domestic americans, that are secretly working with the group!?!??!? ARE YOU KIDDING!! THEY ARE TARGETING YOU well ME more specifically, but really.. now we're splitting hairs.

edit: also, that whole website makes no mention of how convenient 911 and this war on terror has been for pushing globalism and pushing your freedoms away in place of "security" you must look at the whole picture. you cant ignore motive! look at who BENEFITS from all of this. al-qeda, taliban are tools of the new world order. the media is trying to say now that iran has been funding "al-qeda." al-qeda is suni, out of saudi arabia and they hate the shiite. iran is shiite! it's trying to get you to believe that iran is part of these terror organizations to justify an attack on iran (which is absurd, THEY ARE ENEMIES)- al-qeda is the army of the new world order (along with nato).. any time they need something done they just call up their boys, someone to blame 911 on, sure.. they know no one here really knows about the middle east. i would love if there are some arab board members on here to comment on this.

A UFO took down the air france plane.

this thread makes my head hurt.

the first confirmed case of HIV in the US was in 1968, btw.... doesn't mean it wasn't around earlier, but that's the earliest biological sample w/a positive HIV test.

The earliest evidence of infection is from 1959 taken from the Congo. There's the potential window.

When a guy fucked a monkey then fucked a human.

"All I fuck is chimps and orangutangs."


On another note:

Sept 11, 2001: Data recovery experts extract data from 32 damaged WTC computer drives. The data reveals a surge in financial transactions shortly before the attacks. Illegal transfers of over $100 million may have been made through WTC computer systems immediately before and during the 9/11 disaster. [Reuters, 12/18/01, CNN, 12/20/01, more]

So during this massive catastrophe, people are THAT concerned about the computer drives? Thank God!

Uhhh, yeah?


edit: serious?

If you were at ground zero in the days after the attacks, would you consider taking goods/money from abandoned stores? What about the ATMs down there?

If I had a gas mask to navigate. That was one toxic area.

this thread makes my heart hurt.


and the hard drives were priority because they held all the evidence of illegal banking. or "book keeping" if you will-

aids did not start from a man and a monkey. period. i dont have concrete evidence that it was created by the government (yet) like i do for 911 or global governance or that obama is nothing more than a puppet.. but that's only cause it's far less interesting, to me anyway. i'm gonna print out that "cure" and give it to the local aids help places. theres one on like 12th and arch. i'm sure there interest will provide more do diligence on the matter.

and not one comment on how they are saying al-qeda is working with 300,000 domestic americans!? how absurd is that?!?

You're a fucking idiot. Do you know what SIV is?

moat, would you have taken stuff out of abandoned stores around ground zero? also, if obama is a puppet, and george bush wasnt incontrol, was clinton also a puppet?

thanks for bringing that up- you know, all the first responders are very ill and dying off. THEY WERE TOLD THE AIR WAS FINE by the epa and christine todd whitman and let them go in there to die. and now when the first responders need help from us, they get the door shut in there face. the government refuses to accept that these illness' came from their exposure that day, because if they do, it admits fault. so they are ignoring them and letting them die off.

dennis kucinich is one of the only politicians trying to help these people, but as of yet i still think they are unsuccessful in their quest.

Any contractor, construction worker, or architect can tell you there were a shit ton of toxins in the air.