Well you were trying to make it seem like Firefox was trying to do something they explicitly say they are not doing. But you chose not to present the information where they say they are not doing that, instead deciding to only present the information on how the location finder works if you choose to use it. I think that's what Mike may have meant by skewing the subject.

read my post again, i gave all the answers firefox gave to the questions i pasted.


HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA, i hope you live to see the next one..

Moat, I want to apologize for being mean. You're obviously very passionate about all of this but I hope (and think) you're wrong. So, we're going to agree to disagree.

I do want to say that when Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag are your two celebrity backers... yeah.


I'm done with this thread now. Good luck.

You do have an agenda, it's obvious by how you present information. You want people to see things as you see them, that's an agenda. It's also pretty obvious you can't handle the fact that other people do see things differently. What I meant by skewing is you might not put your own spin on things, but you do certainly leave things out. And as an adult, I find it a little insulting that you don't think I can handle interpreting data and drawing my own conclusions on what's happening.

Because Firefox is considered an open source piece of software they need their users to be able to change whatever they'd like within the application. This is where about:config comes into play. It's not an option within preferences because developers don't need to cater to every person, especially when you can change it yourself in about:config. About:config technically is the preference panel and "preferences" is just a graphical front end. By the way, what's an average user? To me an "average user" probably isn't concerned with geolocation and most likely don't mind that it's not in "preferences".

Service as in, a built version of Firefox from Mozilla devs. You can easily build your own from source code and follow your own rules.

heh, heidi and spencer, excellent.

moat i am surprised to say that i agree with some of what you are saying about climate change. havent followed any of your other stuff but i thought you may enjoy this article:

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/s...html?id=1758464

its called tired lefties on parade, from a canadian paper. its written by conrad black who is a baller and kind of fucked up but his writing is fantastic and he debunks some of the climate change conspiracies you also seem skeptical of. take a look at it

i already said that i didnt expect that to give any credibility, however i was commenting on the exposure of the movement. they have a HUGE audience which is now watching the Obama deception, and checking out infowars.com and that's a good thing. and you know they arent the first celebs i mentioned.



when i said i dont have an agenda what i meant was that i have no 'malicious" or "deceitful" agenda.. i'm not trying to sell you some product that you dont need; i'm not trying to trick you. i'm not crazy and i know that people see things differently. first get the term "conspiracy theory" out of your head. get the idea of "it cant be possible" out of your head. what i present here is no longer a theory, open your mind and i promise you a new set of eyes. and i apologize if you think i was trying to be insulting when i said you dont "see it" in everyday news articles. someone else here got uppity about that too. i am not insulting your intelligence. intelligence is not "knowing." it is not memorizing facts. intelligence is the ability to think, how well you can interpret and develop ideas, and problem solve. i'm sure all of you, especially you, are intelligent. you're not supposed to know, this info is not readily available. they're not advertising it. i'm sure i've touched on topics that some of you have never heard about. it's not a matter of how smart you are. i dont claim to be smarter than anyone else. look at alex jones, he's a simple person. i dont find him to be especially intelligent. but he knows a lot. he found out the truth, and now he's a wrecking ball bombarding the information, the facts to the forefront. so much so, that people as out of touch with the real world as heidi montag and spencer pratt had access to this information. really research what i'm saying, where do you get this omniscient sense of just "knowing" it cant be; has ANYONE watched the whole movie? these are things that will affect every single one of you. there is more than enough proof. what i meant by saying you cant see it is if you dont recognize, know, the intentions of the new world order, it is very hard to see how all these things are working toward the same goal. and only once you do accept that there is this agenda for control will you be able to see the 'programing' in the media, you'll be able to see through the seemingly good intentioned laws and proposals, you wont be easily tricked into backing unjust wars and going along with all these "security" measures. that's what i meant by a "new set of eye." it's a giant game of chess, and sometimes in chess you can't see the attack you're opponent is setting up right in front of your eyes. read zbigniew brzezinski's "the grand chessboard" whether you think it's a reality or not, this is how THEY think about it. and they are the people making all the decisions, they are the people trying to take control of the populations. it doesnt matter what you think. i'm not selling you anything. some people think dinosaurs never existed because it doesn't fit into their belief system. i'm not skewing anything, i'm not putting "my spin" on it. you cant see it for what it is, because you refuse to believe the truth of it. not because you're not old enough, or smart enough, or educated enough.. it's because you dont know. how could you?

as for the average user not being concerned with it, of course not it goes into what i was just saying.. if you dont see that they are building this database, if you dont see that they want everything tracked and monitored why would you even think about such a concept? it's like you get all the information but you receive it all out of context. only until you can see the agenda will you recognize the constant bombardment of influence they are pushing on you, the constant manipulation (even of the way you think!). and so when you think i'm pulling seemingly random things on here to build my presentation, or that i'm trying to take regular information and put my spin on it, is not the case. you just dont see it at such, because you aren't presented with "good" information. once you accept the reality of the new world order, the reality of these bankers and their agenda, will you see that all of these things are intentional. you will be "woken up" as we put it. it's like a lightbulb goes off, and you just snap out of it. snap out of the fabricated reality, and see what's really happening in the world. what's happening RIGHT NOW. not tomorrow, not in a decade.. RIGHT NOW





climate change is just scratching the surface, it's a symptom of the disease. and if you're specialized in only one aspect of this (climate) it still may be hard to believe that there could be a group of people using this environmental terrorism to control the people. but i appreciate the link. good article.

Blitz of “Cyber Attacks” as Rockefeller Bill Approaches

A determined propaganda blitz is well underway as the government sets the stage for the passage of Cybersecurity Act of 2009, introduced in the Senate earlier this year. If passed, it will allow Obama to shut down the internet and private networks. The legislation also calls for the government to have the authority to demand security data from private networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule or policy restricting such access. In other words, the bill allows the government to impose authoritarian control over electronic communications.

Senator Rockefeller muses that we’d all be better off if the internet never existed.

Earlier today, the corporate media reported on a “powerful attack that overwhelmed computers at U.S. and South Korean government agencies,” allegedly launched by North Korea. “South Korean intelligence officials believe the attacks were carried out by North Korea or pro-Pyongyang forces,” the Associated Press reported.

It should be noted that South Korea’s intelligence apparatus — known as the Korean Central Intelligence Agency — was formed under the auspices of the U.S. Army’s Counter Intelligence Corps during the Korean War and is notorious for intervening in that country’s politics and kidnapping Koreans living abroad and torturing them. In other words, anything South Korean intelligence tells the corporate media should be taken with a large grain of salt.

According to “security experts analyzing the attacks,” Obama’s White House, the Pentagon, the New York Stock Exchange, the National Security Agency, Homeland Security Department, State Department, the Treasury Department, Federal Trade Commission and Secret Service, the Nasdaq stock market and The Washington Post were targeted.

All of this is happening as Senate Commerce Chairman John (Jay) Rockefeller — who has said we’d all be better off if the internet was never invented — plans a committee vote on cybersecurity legislation he introduced in April with Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine.

Under Rockefeller’s bill, the White House would be required to create an Office of the National Cybersecurity Adviser within the Executive Office of the President as well as an advisory panel of experts from industry, academia and the globalist NGOs, according to Congress Daily. Great MORE agencies.

In May, Obama pledged to personally select a cyber czar who would report to the National Security Council and National Economic Council.

the bill in it's full text can be read here
and to track the bill you can follow it's progress here

also i thought noteworthy:

SWAT team called in over lawn dispute? they had previously brought him to small claims court to force him to cut his lawn. :escalated: i'm sure his shotgun didnt help the situation any, but ya got to admit he's got principles. lol
article
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and great quote "He doesn't want to fit in with the rest of the neighborhood," said Kevin Marrs, neighbor.

lastly, i'd like to ask a request of all of you. as we've previously discussed, the climate bill passed the house.. it's now on the senators. find your local senator on the list below and CALL TO STOP THE MADNESS- with these new "smart" meters expect the prices to DOUBLE. tell them this will destroy the country and ship AMERICAN industry overseas. we already hardly produce anything other than debt, this will collapse our country.







snipping tool at it's best. get involved, it's time we tell these senators you do what the people want, not what lobby's tell you. you work for us! this thread should be more appropriately titled "The Real News" and while ya got them on the line, tell them not to touch your internet. information is EVERYONES. and fuck, if you really call.. which i hope you do, tell them you want them to support ron pauls bill to AUDIT the federal reserve, and yeah.. one more STOP THE REAL ID ACT or what it is now called, THE PASS ACT .. how can you people not see what's going on!?!!?

call chuck schumer for me and tell him to kill himself.

I do think it is funny that a lot of people in this country have blamed the North Koreans for the cyber attack while fellow South Koreans are like "They don't even have computers up in that poop factory".

It's not funny to me. It's scary that the media and our government (as if there's much of a difference) can ever so slightly plug North Korea as the scapegoat purely to push propaganda, and the majority of the public are buying it. The day that North Korea can mobilize over 60,000 computers to blindside US government websites will be the day that Iraq has WMD's.

Here's exactly what I think though: These movies are sensationalized and overblown. Anything directly pushing us towards a New World Order would be stopped by a violent bloody riot in the streets all over America. The government would be overthrown by a makeshift coup before we have one world government. That wouldn't cause order, it would cause crisis, and these supposed "elitists", if they do exist, would be smart enough to know that. People are only dumb to an extent. If it ever got bad enough that we were approaching Marshall Law and makeshift prison camps, people would have realized what was going long before that. That's what the right to bear arms is all about, and that will NEVER be taken away. Rest assured paranoid ones, we're not losing any of these pivotal rights that these movies like to scare you into thinking are inches away from being pulled away from you. The GOOD people in the government would wake up and put a stop to it.

You can go ahead and think that everyone that has a political position is evil, but if that's the truth, we have absolutely no way of stopping this, so some internet infowar isn't going to do shit. We're all fucked if that's the truth. All you can do is pay attention to the laws that are being passed, pay attention to the people you're electing, get involved in your local government along with the US government. Stay educated and be able to look past the bullshit that's thrown at you every day. Know exactly what you're voting for and who it's effecting and why.

It's extremely hard to argue against the theory that a lot of these distractions that are thrown in our face (gay marriage, abortion, Iran, North Korea, etc.) are all being used to distract people from the real, important legislation that's being passed on a daily basis. The fact is that no one seems to care right now and that's how politicians like it.

Regardless, I have a friend who is so into this stuff that he can't sleep at night. He has a D-day pack with MRE's, power bars, water, and a .40 caliber pistol. The fact that these movies are pushing people to those limits is just as scary as the subject matter of these videos. There has to be a happy medium and that starts with just being educated and involved. Look out for your own ass.

And so ends the longest post I've put up on here in a while.

you should post more Steve.

yeah steve, you should post more. i agree with you for the most part. where we differ is "the government would be overthrown by a makeshift coup before we have world government" this is already happened. what do you think barack obama is? he's certainly not anything he ran on, not anything the people voted for him on.. he is the coup. and where you say there will be a massive unrest, IS going to happen. what do you think all of this is? the dollar is crashing, the economy is being dismantled.. when people lose everything, they are going to lose it. that will justify the marshal law. and when you say while approaching marshal law and setting up prison camps people will be alarmed is clearly not the case, google FEMA camps. google medical BUS.. google troops on american streets. they are laying the groundwork as we speak. prepping law enforcement to look at us as "terrorists" getting us used to being processed. building big government in our face. and you're right, no one cares just the way they like it. why would you think there would be this outcry? it hasnt happened yet. the tea-parties are just the begining. it's coming. ordor out of chaos, world war, economic turmoil. read my posts about the 10 steps to taking down a free society. and no all politicians arent evil, but their voices are certainly not the loudest. how can you say these good people will stand up, WHERE ARE THEY!? in my last post i mentioned FOUR bills that cant be stopped.. so when you say, "we're already screwed" is 100% right. you recognize the propaganda, you recognize the distractions but you wont recognize the implications of it? i dont think you can generalize all the films as sensationalized unless you've seen them. and u also have to figure, the movies are trying to play into how you've been trained. using the same tactics, yet these get put under a microscop and maybe you're friend is right.. as for my internet infowar, the ONLY way to win is to expose the criminals for what they are. how else can you do it?

Your 'internet infowar' is futile because, like Steve said, if the government and its infrastructure really is as irredeemably corrupted and conspiratory like you seem to be implying, then your little war is already over since they have all the power. Any attempt by you at convincing other people of this alleged fact wouldn't do anything aside from make them aware of a predicament that they are unable to change in the slightest. I mean, I guess hypothetically if you could convince millions of people into believing what you believe, then that would be a different case. Based on your current success rate though I don't really see that happening.

Obviously, if you believe otherwise, then there would be no need for an infowar to begin with since you wouldn't want to wage war against what you're trying to find improvement in. So either you're waging a war that has no chance of winning in the name of some oft-alleged 'facts', or you shouldn't be attempting one at all since you're simply trying to get enlightened enough to use the tiny amount of pull you possess in changing the world to do it the right way.

P.S. On a lighter note, it's pretty interesting comparing the stuff I read online from U.S. news sites about the cyber attack with the reports I watch on Korean TV.

that is backwards logic. and they are not alleged facts, they are facts. and their plan only works if we participate. so global mass awareness is the cure.. it is not futile. but you're right it is fucking hard. people love their slavery, tell them otherwise and they bite. doesnt mean it cant be done. eventually it will happen. but it's up to YOU, not me and my infowar. you have to do everything you can to wake up as many people as you can. this board is just what i'm choosing to do. be creative, if you have money burn dvd's and pass them out. make a blog, be vocal. stop it with this defeatist attitude. and you wonder why this is so easy for them..

At Starrcade 1998, nWo Wölfpac leader Kevin Nash won the WCW World Heavyweight Championship by defeating Goldberg when Scott Hall interfered and used a stun gun on Goldberg and the oblivious Nash made the pin cover after jackknife powerbombing Goldberg.

it is not a question of are they selling you a lie, the question is, are you buying it?

The real question is do you have any original thoughts? Or do you steal lines all the time?

do any of YOU have original thoughts.. something that wasnt programmed in. and i try to use phrases that will spark people thinking. and i credit my quotes, although i'm not sure who that belongs to nor do i remember if i phrased it exactly right (probably not).. enlighten me.

contrived bullshit is contrived. original thoughts on what subject, this one? not really because i don't throw myself aimlessly into a subject without certainties. it's fruitless to speculate.

I do have opinions however, but that's WAY different.

are we really gonna nitpick the language and not the substance? talk about the ideas

I'm actually pretty sure Mike is programmed into the matrix.

Moat, this thread might be bullshit but thanks for the linkage to govtrack.us it seems legit and will help me out when I'm researching laws being passed. This is what the American population needs to do. We don't need to be fed more propaganda about either side of the situation. We need to do individual research and make our own decisions. That's my problem with you're stuff Moat. I'll read into any bill you like if I don't have to read about it on a Obama conspiracy site. If there is actual harm being done through laws being passed, neutral sites which show the bills will reveal the truth just as well (better in my opinion) than an Obama movie.

im glad you got something useful out of this thread. i hope it doesnt stop there.. and you're right, that's just what i was saying. it's up to you! mankind is origin of evil, just as it's the origin of good. the choice is up to you. and i know you all have to see it for yourself.. i'm trying to make the info easier to find. i've already done all the leg work. the film is similar. it tries to consolidate the information into something you can sit and take in one sitting. i mean, it's like the intro to the new world order. just a starting point. you're meant to look at it, and check the facts. as is this thread. i put PLENTY of government, scientific, political and media related sites.. i dont know where this claim of me posting only conspiracy websites come from. infact, there are tons of articles on prison planet that i wont link.. because i know you guys dont view it as credible.

What I really mean is that I don't care about the NWO or the large conspiracy of a set of global bankers. But I do care about unjust bills and backwards laws that are being passed by our government. You would get my attention more often if you just brought up those bills and gave a non-biased explanation of it's impact.

I just think the fact that you keep telling us to think for ourselves and find out for ourselves doesn't hold any water when in the next breath you seem to be forcing information at us.

I don't want to debate you on this, just kind of how it seems.

I understand you are merely trying to 'show us the way' but i think you've opened the gate wide enough that anyone who hasn't already begun to follow look deeper into it, probably won't. Maybe that's hard for you to deal with?

bobby! how can you care about the unjust laws and not the NWO.. they go hand in hand. they are the reason our government is passing these bills. please take back that you dont care. i know you have more a heart than that. do you really need a guy walking down your street with a semi before you realize there is violence in the country? i mean. do you need to be put in a camp before you say, maybe i should've cared?

granted, but lately i've only been posting current events. and how they correlate. i cant just drop it.. new stuff comes out everday, and who knows what will turn one of you. it's only a matter of time.

I hate to say it, but I've been so turned off by the majority of this thread that I only scan through the other things you post.

Keep on keepin on.

you should be turned off. that's a natural reaction to filth. it's disgusting what's going on, that doesnt mean you bury your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening. it should fire you up more. first is denial, then acceptance and questioning, followed quickly by fear and then it goes to angry.. and anger can be a great motivator. get angry, get vocal. we need an information revolution. unplug.

i didn't mean by the content posted....

i knew what ya meant


and mike, i've decided that you're just a coward. cheers!

awesome! thanks cracker. another opinion formed off of internet bullshit.

First off: I'm not saying it's your infowar. Because it's not. I was just using an Alex Jones term.

Yes I recognize the propaganda and the distractions, but I see the implications as something much less sinister. Something that doesn't involve killing millions of Americans by the hands of a select (relatively) few elitists. This New World Order, One World Government, evil regime stuff, in my mind, is horseshit. There are agendas in government, there always have been. I just think if the government really wanted to take us over, they wouldn't go to great lengths for over 50 years just to get this done. How hard would it have been to do it in the 60's and 70's when everyone was stoned off their ass? I believe evil exists in the world, but I refuse to believe that there were some people pulling the strings back when Kennedy was assassinated that still have this legacy to fulfill without ONE person with an ounce of good blowing the whistle. That's what checks and balances are for.

Let's pretend for a second that this is actually happening. Think of the number of people involved. Think of the tiny little slip ups. There have to be so many people involved with all of these master sinister plans, by now there would have been at least ONE person with a significant enough amount of power along with good in their souls to stop this from happening. A martyr of sorts. I just really don't think that this can all go flawlessly, and if this really is happening, something will stop it. Call it blind optimism, I call it sense.

I've watched EVERY film that you've mentioned. Believe me, I am very interested in this stuff, I just don't think that it will ever be taken to that extreme. They are all sensationalized. They're fear mongering. They're propaganda in and of themselves. Zeitgeist and The Obama Deception are two of the most sensationalized films I've ever seen. They aren't based as documentaries or simply factual, they are dark, they play creepy music, they have cute little gimmicks, and they blow off any existing counterpoint. They're good to watch, and I think that everyone should sit through the entire Obama Deception just to make up their own minds, but there are people who take every little piece of this as fact and I think that's sad. What these films do is take facts and then distort them to fit their agenda. I'm not denying that this film is full of facts that you can read up on Google. These people who make these films are very well read, very well researched, and have very interesting theories. But as of right now, that's all they are. Theories. They're taking things into their own context and finding an answer. That's fine, but there is a reason that there is a scientific difference between theory and law. These guys push the envelope and offer nothing but fear and a need for revolution and exposure. They are the very definition of sensationalized.

I guess I'm in the boat that refuses to believe we're all pawns. Living in fear is no way to live, my man. Have faith, stay educated, and cover your own ass.

i don't know about you but i just got a boner.


miss you steve.

i know its not my infowar, erhm i think everyone figured that out when i first posted www.infowars.com i was just phrasing it the way you spoke of it. i believe that they would go to great lengths, in fact i believe that stalin and lenin were social experiments, to see how it would work off paper. it's not something they can just snap their fingers into. when people were stoned off their ass they were more in touch with themselves and it would've been incredibly hard to do. there were less mindless people back then. now that they have the public good and numb, and occupied with trivial meaningless pop culture. tv is a staple now, and people hardly even sit down for family dinners anymore. i'd say now would be the time to strike. they know what they are doing, and they are good at it. make no mistake, the things that happen in this world are not mere coincidence. it has to be gradual and as for kennedy, you cant tell me you really believe the lone gunman story? or the magic bullet? what are your thoughts on 911??



there are TONS of slip ups, even presidents admitting that they exist and will persist! i know more than they'd like me to know. apparently even you know more than they'd like you to know. and you cant be serious about not being able to keep a secret. the skull n bones society is quite good at keeping secrets. i mean this isnt little league or the highschool cafeteria it's serious business and im pretty sure they also target people with things to hide. in skull n bones initiations, part of it is divulging your biggest secret. why do you think that is? why is it that every year out of the millions of people in the US it almost always comes down to 15 skull and bones members for president? but on top of that, they have plausible deniability and know that even when you tell people they wont believe it. so what are they really worried about? i mean henry kissinger openly says he wants a new world order. obama talks about a one world order, along with gordon brown. they really believe it's what's best. they dont hide it. tons of things leak.. read this thread, i post them.



first of all, there are a lot of movies i posted with none of that. (naomi wolfe, money masters, zero, any of the lectures) none of the creepy music, none of the cutesy gimmicks. and as far as the films that do present the info in such a manner, that's intentional. like i said, they are using the other teams playbook. they know what works. the point is not the film, the point is the subject matter i dont think you can fault them for taking a media type approach. it's what you're used to.. they want to fit it in the same type of programming. when u hear spooky music on 20/20 no one says boo about it. thats the trend in media these days.. it shouldnt take away from the message. it's for the people who rely on that sort've thing. and you say people of our movement distort facts to fit our agenda? LIKE WE WANT THESE THINGS TO BE TRUE? it doesnt help me sleep at night, i promise. if that's the case show me how i'm wrong? i dont take every little thing as fact.. but a lot of it IS fact, and you dont hear about garbage from me, cause i wont post it if its nonsense. i hear ya on the fear mongering thing a bit, but again that chalks back to what's affective. i'm not defending that approach, but i'm just saying it's effective. what's more important? the means or the end?

i agree to have faith and stay educated but i dont agree on just covering my own ass. i feel obligated to warn the people. they have to know! i really am hopeful that the people will snap out of it. i'm hopeful of this audit the fed bill. i'm full of hope and faith, and i cant stop trying to get educated. i wish i was on the middle ground with you.. but i cant, i wish i didnt know the half of it. ignorance is bliss, but i cant live that way either. i'd rather grin and bear it than pretend its something its not. and the films are not my only source, books are great too. there is proof of elite and their bloodlines, their is proof of the bankers, why act like they couldnt succeed. they dont need millions of people. just a few hundred key players. its the pyramid. and doesnt only apply to the new world order, its how freemasons operate, its how the illuminati operate.. it's even how the church operates. the fact that it cant be done i think is your weakest argument. but you do make valid points and im jealous that you can remain so level about all of it. i dont live in fear, but i recognize the threat. it gets me down sometimes but that's natural i think. people that believe al-qeda is out to get them, are living in fear. the people that believe the media whores are living in fear.



anyway, great posts. keep em coming.. i dont mind opposition to my position, so long as its not blind opposition which is most of what i deal with around here. so you're a nice change,l maybe you can change my mind? (doubtful) but healthy to exercise the thought. i'm open to your views of it. bring me to center!

i cant help but call you out on this one. skull and bones and all of the secret societies at universities are lucratively secretive. to think that you know what goes on in there is laughable and nothing but speculation on your part. to say that all it comes down to is 15 skull and bones presidential candidates is equally as laughable. the last two were kerry and bush. the reason why there are so many of them in positions of great power is because they are bred for success. these people would all be successful, no matter what, because they are privileged and come from old money families. in these societies the members are, in simple terms, boys and have each others backs. thats why there were so many of bush's old boys in his cabinet. they went to andover together...they went to yale together, etc. they are lifelong buddies and if possible, they set each other up for success. not because they want to take over the world but because they are bound by a lifelong bond. i hate to sound pretentious but its hard to understand if you arent familiar with that kind of environment. there are secret societies at my school and i have no idea who is in them. you can speculate all you want but i think its funny to group a secret fraternity in with the whole new world order thing

Because the NWO is horseshit. But the government is passing some bullshit laws that I don't agree with. Laws are passed daily though, and I don't have time to look up and research every one. That's why I'm saying you would make your point if you were to just talk about the unjust laws. Because even for you, that's really the only thing that can stop this whole global dominance thing. If the NWO is oh so powerful, they'll just stop any unrest, yet they can't stop the power of voting, right?

And I live in Arizona, I see guys walking around with guns all the time.

To play devils advocate here, Bobby do you think all these politicians proposing unjust bills are doing so independent of each other? I do believe that a lot of legislation is influenced by political lobbyists and backers, so I dont think that a conspiracy theory of sorts is "too far out there". The NWO would never try to take away the vote of the people because people would go apeshit and revolt. They probably do hold the power to do so, but not to power to combat the millions that would be opposed to that. I do believe that a lot of this country is old money trying to keep their place in the world through legislation, appointments, or simple reverse propaganda. What I dont believe is that they want to ruin the country as Moat does. I think Steve had two excellent posts (and wish he would start posting more too) to the point that if these people are so powerful, then we already lost the game and the best thing that we can do for ourselves personally is to keep our eyes/ears open, know whats going on, but at the same time live your life the way you want to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u3JSEqNtlg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u3JSEqNtlg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u3JSEqNtlg

Well shit. If Immortal Technique says so...

Well no, of course things like that are occurring. I just meant that I think that the NWO is bullshit and it isn't one gigantic group who is passing the laws. Every senator is out to make his name, so they gang up to pass laws in which they (the certain group) have a common interest in.

its really like you only read until something catches your eye and then you stop. skull n bones and all those secret societies are small beans. far down the pyramid. and what i stated about them is NOT speculation. and you proved my point in saying that they are good at keeping secrets, which is really why i brought them up at all. steve was saying the idea that these people can keep a secret so well is questionable. i'm saying, it's not. and do a quick search to find out who has been an admitted member and also who has held political office. it's not just bush n kerry. it's a 200 year old society and is more than just 'boys who got eachothers back.' it's not the ymca. you people dont know anything and pretend you do. THAT is laughable. you make assumptions based on speculation or consensus thinking. there is a lot to know about skull n bones if you want to look into it. if i dont know something i say i dont know, why is that so hard for everyone eles? cant you just say, i dont know if there is a new world order. where is your sense of certainty come from'?? i dont claim to be an expert on skull n bones or even that i'm interested to be honest, but i have looked into them, and i dont post nonsense. you can think it's funny but it's not.



programming! desensitizing! they are getting you used to it. doesnt mean it's right. and see it's working, you're already okay with it. wake up. it's no secret they are prepping soldiers for domestic use.



stop saying you just thinkthe nwo is bullshit. prove it. even if i cant prove it definitively to you, i at least make an attempt. and dont just tell you they exist because they do. you just keep saying i think, or they cant. it's ridiculous. and for the 10,000th time a lot of the people at the bottom arent even aware of their role in the new world order. not every senator or law maker is sitting around plotting to take over the world. they just do their part for whatever reasons may be at that time. now you guys still seem to be confused on this pyramid thing. so hopefully these graphics will clear things up for ya

To the first part, I did not mean that there are police patrolling the streets. Come on this isn't Mexico. I meant that I have regular customers who come into my work with a pistol and all that have to do is make us aware of it.


Okay, so just as you believe that the NWO is real, I believe it is fake. I have not seen enough evidence to prove that the NWO is real, therefore innocent.

oh, i thought u meant some military apparatus-

What's the source of that pyramid? Also, clarify the top two portions for me.

The Corleones are in there somewhere. Barzini may put a stop to that soon, though.

Ha I read the book "Disposable People" in a sociology class I took at Penn State.

nwo.......or keyser soze?

sure its small beans but when you start to spew bullshit like there are 'always 15 presidential candidates' who are skull and bones members i cant help but laugh man...thats not fucking true! sure they hold office but if you are going to base your whole argument around gross exaggerations then i think your self proclaimed credibility is going to go out the window. you say its not the ymca...no shit man! these people are movers and shakers and they have immense amounts of power by sheer birthright so i dont see what your point is. you cant prove anything about a society that hasnt published member lists since the 80s.

i will gladly say that i dont know if there is a new world order (just like you dont). i dont even know what the fuck youre talking about with all these conspiracies but i know that, at the end of the day, im chillin at my cottage right now without a care in the world. im comfortable, i dont worry about government trying to fuck me because i pay my taxes, i dont break the law. if there is going to be some totalitarian government that rises up and swallows all of america and the rest of the world then we are fucked either way so why care in the first place? its not like telling people on the internet about your conspiracies is going to do anything to stop a multinational political organization...haha. you call skull and bones small beans but all of your 30+ page argument here is small beans because all you have convinced the people on this board of is that you are paranoid and gullible

ps: i only read until something catches my eyes because i cant handle reading too much of your incoherent psycho babble. if you could construct fluid, cohesive, and somewhat unique sentences once in a while ill jump right into this boat for you