Moat
May 11 2009, 04:10 PM
obamamovie.tk
thoughts? feel free to check the facts and pass it on.
cheers.
Uncle Fundip
May 11 2009, 04:13 PM
Holy shit, Moat hasn't posted in forever
Moat
May 11 2009, 04:16 PM
QUOTE (Uncle Fundip @ May 12 2009, 01:13 AM)

Holy shit, Moat hasn't posted in forever
are you saying that based on a search or you recognize me?
Obama Movie
Uncle Fundip
May 11 2009, 04:17 PM
I remember the Durden avatar.
Jere
May 11 2009, 05:19 PM
Interesting stuff, a friend of mine mentioned learning about the Bilderberg group in is global economy class a while ago.
spenser.
May 11 2009, 05:41 PM
I'm sorry, but this is completely unwatchable. This is like the same shit that the Ron Paul enthusiasts were peddling last year. Give me a fucking break.
Ddjembe Mutombo
May 11 2009, 06:08 PM
i watched like 20 minutes of it. I agree with spenser. This is just another one of those conspiracy theory movies.
alex.
May 11 2009, 08:34 PM
A whole movie of shit taken out of context or used in the most extreme translation possible. No thanks.
robbot says:
May 11 2009, 09:11 PM
this is old... soooo last month!
nigga pleez
May 11 2009, 09:35 PM
Robbie, you're a fucking girl.
Prettier in Plaid
May 11 2009, 09:54 PM
I mean, fuck.
Beauty in the Dissonance
May 11 2009, 09:58 PM
it must be so annoying to be the leader of a country and have guys like this following you around looking for things to make shitty paranoid theories out of...
nigga pleez
May 11 2009, 10:30 PM
You're god damn right Greg
danny.
May 12 2009, 12:00 AM
QUOTE (ALEX!!1 @ May 12 2009, 02:34 PM)

A whole movie of shit taken out of context or used in the most extreme translation possible. No thanks.
nailed it.
Lucas
May 12 2009, 04:52 AM
QUOTE (Uncle Fundip @ May 11 2009, 08:13 PM)

Holy shit, .tk is still a valid url extension?
guide.
May 12 2009, 06:07 AM
None of this information is new....
Moat
May 14 2009, 12:13 AM
QUOTE (mike. @ May 12 2009, 03:07 PM)

None of this information is new....
first of all. if you didnt watch the whole thing you cant comment at all. and second, it's on the internet
i DARE any of you.. to watch it and when you hear something you think is "fishy" pause the movie and do a google search. i IMPLORE ALL OF YOU to take the challenge. Do some research it is NOT conspiracy theories. If you take one minute to look at the evidence it's all there. how can you have so much blind faith in government when literally daily they either commit crimes or take away your freedoms a little bit at a time. and barack obama? straight up, i bought it. i voted for the guy... and he's gone back or even worse, directly against everything he said during his whole campaign. it's a farce, he has the same policies as bush. the movie just scratches the surface of what goes on, it's less about barack obama and more about the people who are pulling his strings.
EVERY MEMBER of his cabinet is either part of the council on foreign relations, the trilateral commission, the bilderberg club or all three. we need to take our country back from the thieves in office. democrat and republicans. our leaders are no longer American.
like i said, this is just an intro to the new world order.
other videos of interest:
The Money Masters
Zeitgeist
Wake Up Call
and for anyone who jumps to claim that some of the cameos in the movie make the claims less credible (ie krs-one, or willie nelson) those people are in there to gain a wider audience. to reach certain demographics. research the facts, pass it on, for your sake and posterity's
if anyone wants further information or "proof" pm me i have tons of it and can explain anything you dont understand.
danny.
May 14 2009, 12:25 AM
what freedoms have you lost? do they do anything more than possibly slightly inconvenience you?
Beauty in the Dissonance
May 14 2009, 08:46 AM
QUOTE (Moat @ May 14 2009, 04:13 AM)

he has the same policies as bush.
i don't see where you're getting that from. He shut down Guantanamo Bay, he outlawed water-boarding, he's allowing the trickle-down tax method and tax breaks for the wealthy to expire, and he is in the process of ordering a slow steady withdrawal from Iraq, to name but a few bush policies he is against.
john
May 14 2009, 08:48 AM
He outlawed water-boarding? Damn, I was so looking forward to learning how to surf this summer.
The Ghost of Johnny Vaught
May 14 2009, 09:55 AM
if you think terrorists have rights then i hope you die in one of their explosions.
spenser.
May 14 2009, 10:07 AM
How is that relevant?
Kody.
May 14 2009, 10:31 AM
This is the only Obama movie I want to see.
Prettier in Plaid
May 14 2009, 11:23 AM
QUOTE (fromthedepthsofdreams55 @ May 14 2009, 05:46 PM)

i don't see where you're getting that from. He shut down Guantanamo Bay, he outlawed water-boarding, he's allowing the trickle-down tax method and tax breaks for the wealthy to expire, and he is in the process of ordering a slow steady withdrawal from Iraq, to name but a few bush policies he is against.
You failed to mention that the FBI no longer raids "clinics".
QUOTE (spenser. @ May 14 2009, 07:07 PM)

How is that relevant?
Hah, I was about to ask the same thing.
And you know what, government is going to always be crooked; power is always going to be corrupt to an extent. But fuck, I would rather have the liberties and opportunity given to me in this country than live as a fucking bum because that's pretty much the status quo in a lot, A LOT of other countries. People are sheep and sometimes it's best they stay that way. Last thing I need is some of the goofy people here (or anywhere else) have more say than they already do.
Vela
May 14 2009, 11:37 AM
obama is the sexiest evil dictator ever
nigga pleez
May 14 2009, 05:31 PM
You spelled Bilderberg Group wrong. Mark Sanford the governor of South Carolina (who I'd vote for pres) also attended the most recent meeting of the Bilderberg Group. What the fuck do you know about the private meetings of the BG?
KID B
May 14 2009, 05:33 PM
All you want to know about how the world works and how it will always work is in Paradise Lost. Just read that and stop trying to piss on my favorite nigga.
Moat
May 15 2009, 12:58 AM
okay..
let me tackle some of the questions thrown at me
1. what liberties have i lost?
the right to privacy and unlawful search and seizure
someone stated that terrorist dont deserve any rights.. but who decides who's a terrorist
what happens when they start calling YOU a terrorist.'
what about all those border patrol check points, that are 100 miles away from the border where they can pull you aside and search you and your vehicle.
2. how are his policies like bush?
yea, he closed gitmo or rather, set a time limit that it must be closed by but what about all the other secret prisons where torture stll goes on?
he DOUBLED the amount of troops in afghan, while keeping troops in iraq
he supporsts a second patriot act and the victory act
also, the assault weapon ban he supports.. do a google search and find the bill.. go to sec. 3 definitions and read it. at face value yeah sure.. assault rifles on the street are no good right? but if you read it, its much more than just assault rifles and its' just teh first step in disarming the public. granted that bill hasnt passed yet, but its on its way.
the cyberbullying act check that one out. that one did pass.. and states that if you inflict severe emotional distress to someone on the internet by WORDS that you could be put in jail for up to two years.
he's allowing the military to police domestically- which is against the constitution. posse comitatus
also, someone metioned something about his taxation policy.. well, that wont really matter much when his banker buddies implodes the economy.
look its not that he's gonna do it all in one big swoop its a gradual process.. by tricking you into thinking somehow this makes you safer
"those that would give up liberty for security deserve neither"
3. what do i know about the bilderberg club?
they meet annually, it's a collection of about 130 of the most powerful people in the world
meeting in secret to discuss world policy- IT IS DIRECTLY AGAINST THE LAW (logan act) for publicly elected officials to meet in private to discuss policy. period. They created the offshoot groups of globalism like the cfr and the trilateral commision.
as far as spelling, suck a dick.
and no one has taken my challenge? watch it.. find the film tell a lie.
the world currency that was decided upon at the g20 in april???? HELLO. is national sovereignty not important to any of you? once we start allowing international law to infiltrate our country or constitution becomes null. HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY OUR ANCESTORS IS SO PRECIOUS AND TRULY ONE OF A KIND- everyone is so willing to just give it up. think of all that was lost fighting for your dumb ass to have freedom. and for what? for you to be numb, and not care.. and give that shit up. you deserve what you get if you stand idly by and watch our country die. think of your kids, and their kids and their kids.. .what kind of world will they grow up in.
christ.
Me.
May 15 2009, 01:09 AM
The border patrol checks are perfectly logical. Millions of immigrants come into the US illegally and immediately head north towards cities like Phoenix, San Diego etc. So it makes sense to check vehicles further up into the border states because it keeps immigrants off of the highways, making it more difficult, therefore less likely, for them to come up here anyways.
Edit: And they cannot search your vehicle unless they have a reason to be suspicious. I'm cool with going through border checks, they don't bother me because I'm not doing anything illegal.
Moat
May 15 2009, 01:19 AM
QUOTE (Bobby @ May 15 2009, 10:09 AM)

The border patrol checks are perfectly logical. Millions of immigrants come into the US illegally and immediately head north towards cities like Phoenix, San Diego etc. So it makes sense to check vehicles further up into the border states because it keeps immigrants off of the highways, making it more difficult, therefore less likely, for them to come up here anyways.
Edit: And they cannot search your vehicle unless they have a reason to be suspicious. I'm cool with going through border checks, they don't bother me because I'm not doing anything illegal.
look thats not the point. youtube border patrol check point priest... guy apparently crosses a lot of these borders and in interviews said he gets stopped 1 in 4 times.. anyway theres a vid of him standing up for himself and filmed teh whole thing, its like 27 minutes of the police harassing him and he's a U.S. citizen, who should be allowed to travel within the country freely and not made to give your id just cause they ask you for it. the point is not that you are not a criminal so you have nothing to worry about- SAME GUY got beat up by police officers at one of these check points for not cooperating. and dont say he should've cooperated cause he most certainly should not have. and thats the problem.
also, as for someone saying this country has more opportunity and he'd rather be here than anywhere else. let me get this out there. I AM IN NO WAY anti-american. america is the greatest country on the planet, but its slowly going down the wrong path and it will become something that it was not intended to be if we let it. if you are really patriotic, you'd wake up and stop defending the monsters at the top of the pyramid. that's how good they got you.. anything that threatens your beliefs of how the world works must be conspiracy theory.. lets all point and laugh at the conspiracy theorists. fucking sheep.
you dont have to believe me, one day you will wake up.. i just hope its not too late.
if no one is going to take the time to research the claims made in the film or any other film on the subject matter than you have no right to comment on any of it. just watch your football and mass media spoon feeding you. i think its more of a conspiracy theory to think that these people have your best interest in mind.
Me.
May 15 2009, 01:29 AM
QUOTE (Moat @ May 15 2009, 02:19 AM)

look thats not the point. youtube border patrol check point priest... guy apparently crosses a lot of these borders and in interviews said he gets stopped 1 in 4 times.. anyway theres a vid of him standing up for himself and filmed teh whole thing, its like 27 minutes of the police harassing him and he's a U.S. citizen, who should be allowed to travel within the country freely and not made to give your id just cause they ask you for it. the point is not that you are not a criminal so you have nothing to worry about- SAME GUY got beat up by police officers at one of these check points for not cooperating. and dont say he should've cooperated cause he most certainly should not have. and thats the problem.
I go through border checks pretty often and I've never been harassed. I'm usually with a bunch of my friends and we usually have something illegal in the car, but I'm never even really stopped. And the dude should've cooperated, because these people are just out there doing their job. They get paid to keep people in line, and if you're being a piece of shit that isn't cooperating, they get paid just as much to make you cooperate.
Oh yeah, and when the government starts beating my ass, I'll start to complain. But you can't blame the entire government for some cops who beat up a guy.
Fuck I need to adjust my sleep schedule, I don't want to be awake and arguing on the internet.
Moat
May 15 2009, 01:50 AM
someone said there is always corruption in government.. that will never change.
our country was set as a constitutional republic, with CHECKS AND BALANCES that are to prevent abuse of power. THREE BRANCHES of government. You dont find it funny that bush passed a bill that says in a "state of emergency" the president super cedes the rest of the government and "temporarily" suspends the constitution. AND WHO DECIDES THAT?
what if the people who founded this country just said 'well it makes me feel bad to think about how much we're getting fucked by the british. i dont want to fight for anything, that's too hard' or 'i dont have time for that. what can i do about it? yeah well these taxes are unfair but, i cant think of any better way to do things.'
ya know what happens then? check out the histories of italy, russia, or germany. oh, and you know who financed all of those dictators? THE SAME PEOPLE THAT CONTROL THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND OUR NEW PRESIDENT. international bankers. and wait a minute... in all of these countries 10 things happened before the free societies fell into tyranny-
1. Invoke a terrifying incident domestic or foreign (9/11, Swine flu)
2. Control the Media
3. Start making lists of people to track and sort when the time comes (no fly list? checkpoints?)
4. Spy on domestic citizens and Create a Surveillance System
5. Disarm the public
6. Control the Education and Start Youth Brigades
7. Have a private secret police (black water, brown shirts, the stasi)
8. Begin to torture "enemy combatants" (but really all that means is someone that doesnt fall in line)
9. Arbitrarily detain and release citizens (to assimilate them to being processed)
10. Target key individuals to seperate the public (right-wing extremists? conspiracy theories?)
... HMM , now let me see, where is all of this stuff happening these days?
come on people wake the fuck up.
Moat
May 15 2009, 01:54 AM
QUOTE (Bobby @ May 15 2009, 10:29 AM)

They get paid to keep people in line, and if you're being a piece of shit that isn't cooperating, they get paid just as much to make you cooperate.
Oh yeah, and when the government starts beating my ass, I'll start to complain. But you can't blame the entire government for some cops who beat up a guy.
THE POLICE ARE HIRED AS PEACE KEEPERS. THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS. TO SERVE YOU. NOT REGULATE YOUR EVERY MOVE. if im not fucking committing a crime, dont fucking say boo to me.
okay, i'm all for cooperation if its within the legal boundaries... once you start accepting these things it doesnt stop. and two i'm disgusted at your second remark, the government beating ANYONES ass for unjust cause or without due process MIGHT AS WELL BE HAPPENING TO YOU you fucking jack ass. you sir are the worst of the worst. stay mindless
God
May 15 2009, 03:14 AM
yeah once you start letting the police do their job SHIT GETS FUCKED UP!
doosh.
danny.
May 15 2009, 03:57 AM
QUOTE (Moat @ May 15 2009, 06:58 PM)

okay..
let me tackle some of the questions thrown at me
1. what liberties have i lost?
the right to privacy and unlawful search and seizure
someone stated that terrorist dont deserve any rights.. but who decides who's a terrorist
what happens when they start calling YOU a terrorist.'
what about all those border patrol check points, that are 100 miles away from the border where they can pull you aside and search you and your vehicle.
first - lol. second - i'm going to say that
you decide whether you're a terrorist or not. do you plan to carry out any acts of terror? ...no? okay, i guess you're not a terrorist. is your government still calling you a terrorist? well, that's what the courts are for, aren't they? you see, if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. that's what your constitution and bill of rights ensures. if these rights are violated, take it to the courts. until then, don't preach your shit.
QUOTE (Moat @ May 15 2009, 06:58 PM)

the world currency that was decided upon at the g20 in april???? HELLO. is national sovereignty not important to any of you? once we start allowing international law to infiltrate our country or constitution becomes null. HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY OUR ANCESTORS IS SO PRECIOUS AND TRULY ONE OF A KIND- everyone is so willing to just give it up. think of all that was lost fighting for your dumb ass to have freedom. and for what? for you to be numb, and not care.. and give that shit up. you deserve what you get if you stand idly by and watch our country die. think of your kids, and their kids and their kids.. .what kind of world will they grow up in.
christ.
i'd also like to point out that what your ancestors gave you in the constitution and the bill of rights was not perfect. it favoured the rich (look at the framers of the constitution; all wealthy, white men of higher social status practicing law, politics, etc.) and continues to do so today. this is your democracy. if you don't like it, go to fucking china or something for a while, see which lifestyle you prefer and quit your bitching. your liberties will never be fully protected. total equality will never be achieved. stop taking things way out of context and proportion.
Moat
May 15 2009, 05:02 AM
you sir, are blissfully misinformed
BRIAN.
May 15 2009, 05:03 AM
also the original constitution had that whole thing about how people with dark skin being less than people with pale skin.. "my country tis of theee.."
danny.
May 15 2009, 05:04 AM
QUOTE (Moat @ May 15 2009, 11:02 PM)

you sir, are blissfully misinformed
well argued.
Moat
May 15 2009, 05:13 AM
QUOTE (Moat @ May 15 2009, 02:02 PM)

you sir, are blissfully misinformed
and naively optimistic. but it's hope and change you can believe in.
i know it hurts, but take a minute and let it sink in... i know how it feels, i voted for him too. i wanna believe in him, but its a sham. politics in america is just a big show. two sided one party system. i still havent seen anyone post anything to debunk it.
Moat
May 15 2009, 05:15 AM
QUOTE (BRIAN. @ May 15 2009, 02:03 PM)

also the original constitution had that whole thing about how people with dark skin being less than people with pale skin.. "my country tis of theee.."
like was said in your previous post, it isnt perfect.. but the bill of rights. of humans free and inalienable rights.. that shit was dead on
BRIAN.
May 15 2009, 05:16 AM
1. danny is Australian
2. that was my first post.
danny.
May 15 2009, 05:20 AM
where does the funding for your hospitals, schools, roads, transport, gas, energy, defense come from?
oh, right. government and the people they represent.
Me.
May 15 2009, 07:05 AM
QUOTE (Moat @ May 15 2009, 02:54 AM)

THE POLICE ARE HIRED AS PEACE KEEPERS. THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS. TO SERVE YOU. NOT REGULATE YOUR EVERY MOVE. if im not fucking committing a crime, dont fucking say boo to me.
okay, i'm all for cooperation if its within the legal boundaries... once you start accepting these things it doesnt stop. and two i'm disgusted at your second remark, the government beating ANYONES ass for unjust cause or without due process MIGHT AS WELL BE HAPPENING TO YOU you fucking jack ass. you sir are the worst of the worst. stay mindless
You obviously missed my point. The government did not beat that guys ass at the checkpoint. The police at the check point beat his ass. You cannot place blame on an entire system as large as the US government just because a few guys decided to rough someone up. The police are not regulating every move that we make, they are just making sure that you aren't smuggling humans, guns, drugs, or anything else that gets smuggled into the US daily. See, unlike New Jersey, Arizona actually sees the effects of this large-scale illegal immigration. Whether it's through an increase in Mexican gang violence in Phoenix, or drugs like heroin being widely used in schools around here, it all started appearing and can be linked back to the increase in illegal immigration.
I'm not going to watch your movie because I don't believe it's a reliable piece of information, but I at least read what you're saying and don't disparage you or your ideas. So if you're going to sit around and argue about this, you should really stop calling everyone here "mindless" and "sheep" because all it does it take away from any sort of credibility that you have.
KID B
May 15 2009, 07:23 AM
Yea, whatever argument this guy had was considered invalid when he began to maliciously attack people.
how old are you, Moat? teens? I'd suggest you take this angst and imagination and put it to good use on something else.
john
May 15 2009, 07:46 AM
I checked, and apparently he's at least 23 years old. Yikes.
Prettier in Plaid
May 15 2009, 08:07 AM
QUOTE (Bobby @ May 15 2009, 03:05 PM)

You obviously missed my point. The government did not beat that guys ass at the checkpoint. The police at the check point beat his ass. You cannot place blame on an entire system as large as the US government just because a few guys decided to rough someone up. The police are not regulating every move that we make, they are just making sure that you aren't smuggling humans, guns, drugs, or anything else that gets smuggled into the US daily. See, unlike New Jersey, Arizona actually sees the effects of this large-scale illegal immigration. Whether it's through an increase in Mexican gang violence in Phoenix, or drugs like heroin being widely used in schools around here, it all started appearing and can be linked back to the increase in illegal immigration.
I'm not going to watch your movie because I don't believe it's a reliable piece of information, but I at least read what you're saying and don't disparage you or your ideas. So if you're going to sit around and argue about this, you should really stop calling everyone here "mindless" and "sheep" because all it does it take away from any sort of credibility that you have.
Thank god you said this, Bobby. I was about the explode. "Obama's a sham! A specific group of border patrol police have a sense of douchebag entitlement! Down with the prez!"
Moat, look at it this way, we're all gonna die anyway. Just be happy that you're here and (most likely) middle class. And if you're not happy, then get off your computer chair and fucking do something about it. Oh and telling people they're misinformed is a nice logical fallacy, I'm sure that will get you far. try being a latter day Sophist rather than a modern day.
spenser.
May 15 2009, 09:28 AM
This is bordering on pathetic.
guide.
May 15 2009, 11:15 AM
Obama is actually Bush with blackface.
Lizwoo
May 15 2009, 05:18 PM
Need a good crazy conspiracy theory for some LOLz from time to time.
Beauty in the Dissonance
May 15 2009, 05:26 PM
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