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Milo.
Merge? might as well i go off topic onto amps heaps haha
btw

For i think monty cos he saw my whole yr 12 final thing for design and tech the Guitar case with LEDs installed
any ideas waht else i should try and incorporate into it?? i just dont think it will have enough apeal on a market for someone
to buy it without something extra ideas?
Chris O'Neil
So question that would help em with this project i'm doing


does anyone know where i could find some sort of time line of when music industry products were developed/released? i.e. distortion pedal, protools, tube amps, etc.

James...
I'm not exactly sure what you're asking.
Chris O'Neil
like, for example

the first electric guitar was created in 1965

the first distortion pedal was created in 1972

like that
James...
I'd say wikipedia is one good place to go. I don't know of any "guitar history" database.

So I'm trying to pick an outboard processor for some effects (mostly delay and verb) because I'm using a lot of CPU power in the Axe-fx and I want to lower that by using effects from other units.

Not really sure if I want to go the pedal route and rack them in a drawer or actually get a rack unit. I have looked at several different things but everything has a problem.

TC Electronic Fireworx (lag time)
Line 6 Echo Pro (I've heard it's not that great)
TC D-Two (no tap tempo...)
Damage Control Timeline (hard to find)
Eventide Time Factor (not really my thing)
Digitech 2101 (too hard to program and not the best unit)

I really wish I could find a timeline pedal. It's supposed to be one of the best delays out there that has midi.
Jesse.
The D-Two has a tap, just not an external tap. It's on the front panel.
James...
That does me no good live.

Fuck TC Electronic.
Ddjembe Mutombo
QUOTE (Shadowskater5671 @ Mar 5 2009, 12:14 PM) *
So question that would help em with this project i'm doing


does anyone know where i could find some sort of time line of when music industry products were developed/released? i.e. distortion pedal, protools, tube amps, etc.

Just make a timeline following Leo Fender or something. That would be easier and probably more interesting.
James...
Our bass player has recently gone for broke and had to sell a lot of his stuff. I bought a cheap old Bass Pod so he can go direct into the board at all the shows since he has no cab now.

After I got it I figured I would play it through some headphones real fast just for kicks...and wow. That thing actually sounds really damn good. I always hated the guitar pods but the Bass version kills. Probably some of the best DI bass tone I've ever heard.
iwontbreak custom
QUOTE (James... @ Mar 6 2009, 02:28 PM) *
Our bass player has recently gone for broke and had to sell a lot of his stuff. I bought a cheap old Bass Pod so he can go direct into the board at all the shows since he has no cab now.

After I got it I figured I would play it through some headphones real fast just for kicks...and wow. That thing actually sounds really damn good. I always hated the guitar pods but the Bass version kills. Probably some of the best DI bass tone I've ever heard.

i have the guitar pod 2.0 and the live xt. the 2.0 sounds pretty decent DI'd into my computer. For some reason, the xt always sounds like crap. They are supposedly the same software, i don't get it.
James...
I never messed with any of the line 6 stuff. Sounds good but not tubes good.

In all honesty the only unit that can stand up to a tube amp in an A/B test is the Axe-fx. I remember Cliff telling me that he did a bunch of blind tests with an AC30 and a Bogner Ecstacy. It was 50/50. Half the people picked the Axe and half picked the tube amp.

The only other unit that I think comes close to tube emulation is the Digitech 1101. Close...but no cigar. But anyway, I'm gonna stop hawking on the Axe-fx. This isn't really the place to bring it up, and I'm not a fan of the "anyone who doesn't buy it is in denial" discussions that seem to be happening on other gear boards.

I will say that a good tube amp still has its place in my mind at least. There's nothing like have the PHYSICAL knobs layed out for you right there. But that's a mental thing I guess. I suppose you get more of a comfort level with a real tube head than a rack unit. That's one thing the Axe-fx can never overcome.
Milo.
Keeley Mod

Im tossing up for just at home to either get my boss Metal Zone or DS -1 Keeley modded

Tone wise: i want like a clear crisp solid distortion.. like almost and ENGL invader high gain crisp sound if anyone knows it
but the DS just doesn't pack that depth as to where the MZ does but i find the MZ really muddy especially when im in drop C or Drop B

a) has anyone tried both of them and what sounds better for my style for the crisp hard sound
cool.gif what's the actually "seeing eye" mod
c) is it even worth getting it done

Ddjembe Mutombo
both pedals suck.



edit: I just gave my G&L ASAT the best setup I have ever done. I set it up in Drop C# with ernie ball not even slinkys. Intonation, buzz, action... everything is perfect. Usually when setting up my gibsons I have to compromise buzz with higher action or lower action with more buzz. I am stoked.

fdit: damn! just finished setting up the standards (LP & SG) to drop C# with the not even slinkys. The G-string sounds funny past the 12th fret but I think thats the strings. Everything plays like sex now. I have never been on such a setup roll. I usually have something unsatisfactory/unfixable with my gibson setups.
James...
QUOTE (Milo2 @ Mar 7 2009, 10:14 PM) *
Keeley Mod

Im tossing up for just at home to either get my boss Metal Zone or DS -1 Keeley modded

Tone wise: i want like a clear crisp solid distortion.. like almost and ENGL invader high gain crisp sound if anyone knows it
but the DS just doesn't pack that depth as to where the MZ does but i find the MZ really muddy especially when im in drop C or Drop B

a) has anyone tried both of them and what sounds better for my style for the crisp hard sound
cool.gif what's the actually "seeing eye" mod
c) is it even worth getting it done


Do yourself a favor and buy an Electro Harmonix Metal Muff. It comes closer nailing the ENGL sound than any disto pedal I've played. To be accurate though, it sounds like a rectifier crossed with a powerball and some extra fizz.

QUOTE (Ddjembe Mutombo @ Mar 7 2009, 10:29 PM) *
both pedals suck.



edit: I just gave my G&L ASAT the best setup I have ever done. I set it up in Drop C# with ernie ball not even slinkys. Intonation, buzz, action... everything is perfect. Usually when setting up my gibsons I have to compromise buzz with higher action or lower action with more buzz. I am stoked.


Lowest action I've ever played is on my Ibanez RG550. It literally feels like a fretless. every string is effortless to fret. No fret outs. The only downside is that guitar can only do Metal and hard rock. Anything in the clean/low gain category is just so so.

My LP classic has low enough action that it doesn't bother me. I could get it lower but I like the tone. It has the best clean/crunch sounds I've heard...especially through Marshall and Fender amps.
Jesse.
QUOTE (James... @ Mar 5 2009, 10:40 PM) *
That does me no good live.

Fuck TC Electronic.

It was created to live in a FOH or Monitor World rack, which makes it incredible useful to the engineer running either of those gigs.
Milo.
Does Boosti ever use his Phaser or TS9 on released song or on live dvd
Jesse.
Wrong section, dude. I'm sure he uses the TS9 quite often, though. I've never heard/seen the Phaser get used, but that's not to say it doesn't.
James...
QUOTE (Jesse. @ Mar 8 2009, 09:50 PM) *
It was created to live in a FOH or Monitor World rack, which makes it incredible useful to the engineer running either of those gigs.


I know a few guitarists that use it. I could technically use the tap if I got a midi-1/4 converter box.

I recently realized that the delays in my Axe-fx are superior to all my old delays though...so now I want to keep using those.

It sucks because I've run out of space on the thing for effects, but I can't find another unit that will do the effects as well.
Milo.
just to keep shit goin,

what the best woods in general for a guitar or what are the characteristics of them
ive never read anything or seen anything mention this.
Milo.
QUOTE (Ddjembe Mutombo @ Oct 16 2008, 05:59 AM) *
I think 2,300 should be easy since I am throwing in a professional lift lid case.

Bah you quoted me 3000 haha
James...
QUOTE (Milo2 @ Mar 16 2009, 07:07 AM) *
just to keep shit goin,

what the best woods in general for a guitar or what are the characteristics of them
ive never read anything or seen anything mention this.


Go to warmoth and check out the woods section. It's pretty comprehensive.

And monty if you're still selling that triamp in a few months, call me. I might have the cash then.
Ddjembe Mutombo
I prefer glass guitars.

QUOTE (Milo2 @ Mar 16 2009, 10:14 AM) *
Bah you quoted me 3000 haha

$2300 would be my most desperate offer. Any I quoted you high since I am not planning on selling it yet. I might this summer, not sure though.
Milo.
True.. i hate searching for an affordable, but good hi gain modern amp.. Affordable and good just dont match when talkin amps ahha
Milo.
A guy is selling a randall RH-100 G2 series Head and Cab for 525-593 american good deal?
James...
No.

That head sucks. It's solid state anyway. Every Randall product I have played other than the modular series sounds like ass.

Look around for a Randall V2 though. From what I remember it was pretty decent for metal. Eh, actually scratch that. The V2's are looking to be in the $700 range used now. Which is stupid since it's not even fully tube. Screw that.

You play metal right? What's your budget for both amp and cab?

Look at the Peavey XXX, Carvin V3, Peavey 5150. You should be able to get one of those for $600 if you're lucky. And they're rock solid.
Tubular Trevor
Trying to decide between the TC Nova Modulator and the Eventide Modfactor.
I love the nova delay, so I'm leaning towards TC.

Any other multi-mod pedals out there I should look into?
James...
QUOTE (Tubular Trevor @ Mar 18 2009, 02:16 PM) *
Trying to decide between the TC Nova Modulator and the Eventide Modfactor.
I love the nova delay, so I'm leaning towards TC.

Any other multi-mod pedals out there I should look into?


Well there's always the Line 6 MM4. But that's another story. I should mention though that it has more switches than the other two units, and the effects flavor will be more pedal sounding VS the other two which are more rack effect sounding.

Eventide - I've heard this thing isn't quite as good as the timefactor. I know a couple guys who use it and they say it's okay but not as good as having single modulation pedals. They also said the sound clips on the site were very close to what it sounded like in person. I personally haven't played it but I've played the timefactor and I thought it sounded a bit too refined for what I wanted. Although the midi control is a cool feature. (of course, I doubt you care about that)

TC - I've heard it's pretty solid. The strongest point is the chorus. It's gonna sound slightly better in a loop than in front of the amp. Again, quality won't be as high as single pedals but you will get some versatility.

If I was you I would buy 2 or 3 single pedals. Unless you are going to be using a ton of different mod effects...but if it's just like chorus, flange, tremolo...then invest in some single pedals. You will get better quality.
bcress
QUOTE (Tubular Trevor @ Mar 18 2009, 10:16 PM) *
Trying to decide between the TC Nova Modulator and the Eventide Modfactor.
I love the nova delay, so I'm leaning towards TC.

Any other multi-mod pedals out there I should look into?


neither...get the Eventide Pitchfactor. that thing sounds freaking sexy. then get yourself a good chorus that can cover a vibrato and then get a trem and/or phaser like james said. smile.gif

i dunno, i just like having my modulation pedals separate, so don't listen to me if that is not an issue for you.

edit: if i had the money, i suppose it would be fun for the studio.
Milo.
My singer and other guitarist are really pushing that i should go to Drop A..
i think thats the point when shit just gets muddy

but whats the pros n cons for ppl who have used it.. what gauge strings should i get for a medium to strong tention
nothing loose

OH and if i do should i get an emg cos i have a shit INF4
James...
Drop A? wtf?

You would either have to buy a baritone or a 7 string. Drop B is pushing it on a standard scale guitar. Anything less is ridiculous.
carrie
I don't know why on Earth you'd need drop A, especially since unless you were planning to also drop all of the other strings as well, the intervals between them all would sound really fucked up. If you want those low notes, get a bass player and tell her to play in higher positions. Drop A on a guitar? Sigh.
iwontbreak custom
QUOTE (Milo2 @ Mar 19 2009, 01:46 AM) *
what gauge strings should i get for a medium to strong tention
nothing loose

bass strings?
Milo.
Mmm i know i knew it was fuckin stupid hahaha
my ibanez is battlin to take it haha

on topic of strings whats the difference in:

stainless steel
pure nickel
reinforced
coated/titanium
nickelwound

in sound and tone terms

http://www.ernieball.com/products/category-520-Electric
James...
I use nickel plated because it's the most common and it's always served me well.

Pure nickel strings are going to be darker sounding, while stainless steel is very bright. Stainless steel feels rough and doesn't last as long as nickel.

I don't pay any attention to coated junk because it all looks gimmicky to me. Although Blue Steels seem to be popular.
Uncle Fundip
I hate how coated strings feel.
say ocean
Gibson SG Standard
Taylor 6-14 CE Grand Auditorium Maple
Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Head
Mesa Boogie 4x12 Cab
-bLiSsFuLl AdDiCtIoN-
I started playing guitar and I want to be in a band within a year and I was wondering if you have any tips for me cause I dont know that much. I want to buy a pedal for my guitar but Im not sure if I should get the pedal or the regular effect knob thing. Thanks
Tubular Trevor
I'm so fuckin' indecisive.

Today I was gonna call PRS up and get everything I needed to order my Sunburst 22, when I got the feeling like I shouldn't, at least just yet. I was just trying to weigh out all my options and justifications for each of 'em.

1 (really) Expensive Guitar:
PRS Sunburst 22 - 57/08's, locking tuners, and a trem, but the color seems inconsistent which bugs me
PRS Smokeburst McCarty - 57/08's and probably most similar to my Les Paul - which is both a good and a bad thing, but doesn't have a trem
PRS Custom 22/24 - dragons or HFS pups, locking tuners, and a trem, plus more color options, but not necessarily the most unique guitar
Tom Anderson Drop Top (Bora to Trans Blue) - the sexiest guitar and the most different from my LP, which would be the most complementary in a sense, but also really not what I'm used to. The ones I played I didn't think sounded as good as the Custom 22, but they still sounded good, maybe I just want hotter/beefier pickups.

2 not as expensive guitars:
PRS Satin 22 - good pickups and a trem, I like the charcoal finish a lot, but I'd feel like it wasn't as ballin' as other PRS guitars
Schecter Hellraiser - Floyd, Duncs or EMG's, looks good, wouldn't worry about it, it's just nothin' special to me. I feel like if I did need it, I could pick it up any day at work

Or one combo option would be the Smokeburst to have the sound and feel I love and the Hellraiser to cover my trem desires.

Aye dios mio!
James...
Do I understand that you are ordering one sight unseen?

Eh.....

I would play it first?
its simply gary
So, I'm convinced I'll be getting this bass one day : http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0271902550

I just love it's looks, and I'm a big fan of P-basses
Tubular Trevor
QUOTE (James... @ Mar 20 2009, 09:50 PM) *
Do I understand that you are ordering one sight unseen?

Eh.....

I would play it first?


Yeah, if I use my employee discount and go direct through the dealer, it's a lot cheaper for me like that, plus I can choose between the options up front. Like I'm leaning towards getting an unfinished neck, which isn't stock on many Customs or the new models except the Modern Eagle II.

I've played enough PRS's to be pretty sure of the sound and feel, they seem to be reasonably consistent compared some other companies. The only thing that seems to waver is their color and 10-Top style (sometimes it's way too tiger stripe-y for me).

The TA is a bit more iffy because I've only played 2, but one of our frequent customers always brings in his guitars, which includes an early Tom Anderson Classic with all the specs I like, so I might hassle him to bring it in soon.
Uncle Fundip
Alright nerds, here's a good one for you.

Other guitarist used to play through a Mesa 4x12, but stopped when it started sounding weird/he discovered how good his Mesa sounds through a Marshall.

Anyway, I told him to let me have a look at it, see if I can fix it and if I can, sell it on Craigslist and make a couple bucks (it's been a very nice speaker stand in the rehearsal space for years)

So I plugged it in before I left and it sounded like shit. No body whatsoever, sounded like the generic bad radio/lo fi sound. He bought it new and had never had any work done on it. It's been gigged with over the years, but nothing brutal.

I opened it up, and all the soldering joints look solid, all the input jacks and tight, none of the cones are ripped. So I'm stumped. Of course what I didn't try at the studio was hooking up to the 4-ohm connections and just running two speakers, because I didn't realize what they meant before opening it up (the damn writing was cryptic). I'm also an idiot because I left my amp there, instead of bringing to home to test it out.

Any ideas before I pull out the bi-amp inputs and just wire it straight 8-ohm?

James...
QUOTE (Tubular Trevor @ Mar 20 2009, 10:44 PM) *
Yeah, if I use my employee discount and go direct through the dealer, it's a lot cheaper for me like that, plus I can choose between the options up front. Like I'm leaning towards getting an unfinished neck, which isn't stock on many Customs or the new models except the Modern Eagle II.

I've played enough PRS's to be pretty sure of the sound and feel, they seem to be reasonably consistent compared some other companies. The only thing that seems to waver is their color and 10-Top style (sometimes it's way too tiger stripe-y for me).

The TA is a bit more iffy because I've only played 2, but one of our frequent customers always brings in his guitars, which includes an early Tom Anderson Classic with all the specs I like, so I might hassle him to bring it in soon.


You're right. The PRS stuff will be "pretty" consistent. Finish wise not so much. I have seen some really nice looking ones and some nightmares. But You can reasonably expect that the setup and build quality will be good enough.

I can honestly tell you that you won't find a "dud" Tom Anderson. If they make something that they don't like, it doesn't leave the door. This includes the finish too. They give a slightly higher attention to detail than PRS does now.

QUOTE (Uncle Fundip @ Mar 20 2009, 10:48 PM) *
Alright nerds, here's a good one for you.

Other guitarist used to play through a Mesa 4x12, but stopped when it started sounding weird/he discovered how good his Mesa sounds through a Marshall.

Anyway, I told him to let me have a look at it, see if I can fix it and if I can, sell it on Craigslist and make a couple bucks (it's been a very nice speaker stand in the rehearsal space for years)

So I plugged it in before I left and it sounded like shit. No body whatsoever, sounded like the generic bad radio/lo fi sound. He bought it new and had never had any work done on it. It's been gigged with over the years, but nothing brutal.

I opened it up, and all the soldering joints look solid, all the input jacks and tight, none of the cones are ripped. So I'm stumped. Of course what I didn't try at the studio was hooking up to the 4-ohm connections and just running two speakers, because I didn't realize what they meant before opening it up (the damn writing was cryptic). I'm also an idiot because I left my amp there, instead of bringing to home to test it out.

Any ideas before I pull out the bi-amp inputs and just wire it straight 8-ohm?


Sounds like a driver or another internal speaker component is shot. The voice coil could be damaged.

I would play each speaker individually and get to the bottom of it.
Uncle Fundip
So if one is shot, will it kill the sound in all of them?
James...
Possibly. Depends on the problem.

If you play them individually and they are all fucked up, then I would guess your friend did something really really bad to the cab. It's hard to destroy all 4 speakers at once.

To me, it sounds like he's been running it improperly for a while and over time the speakers have suffered.
Uncle Fundip
That's what it sounds like to me. None of them sounded right when I played through it. I'll test them all individually and see what happens.
James...
Ask him how he was running it.

-Correct ohm matches?
-Using speaker cable and not guitar cable?
-using proper settings and wattage?
Uncle Fundip
I would think he would have had it all proper (been playing for 15 years), but I'll get the details on everything.
James...
If that's the case then I doubt he'd be that dumb.

That's a real pickle...
its simply gary
Practice, Practice, and PRACTICE.

After that, google guitar techniques on google. then PRACTICE some more.



Then you can head on to harmonycentral.com, I find their forums very helpful for all kinds of music.

And after you gain the knowledge you want..PRACTICE.
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